Thursday, October 13, 2005

If you were to read all the comments, there would be one made by 'old fart'.

It says not to fool around with the police and that they could track me down and charge me for all these malicious accusations.

Yes, I know 'old fart'. I know I could be tracked down. It would be exceedingly easy. I know I could be charged and I know that life might never be the same again.

I have such a great future. All there is in life to look forward to is there right in front of me.

But what about your children or your loved ones? Or the next generation and after? Will you stand by and just watch just like everybody else? See the country be reduced to ruin? I love Malaysia 'old fart', I love it to bits. It is my home, my only home and I would never leave it behind.

But all this has happened to me. And I am struggling to pick up what's left of my nationalistic spirit. What this incident has created are 22 people who no longer love their country any longer. Are you willing to fuel the seeds of dissent and hatred? Or do you want this country to be a better place for you, for me, and for all your loved ones.

I am scared. Very scared. But in the end of the day. There is God.

99 Comments:

Blogger Tzy_Zhing said...

Hey, mail me at tzy.zhing@gmail.com

I've got some opinion.... to fight

9:18 PM  
Blogger fcukger said...

i say u desrve it all and more. why are you suddenly so concerned about how the police is behaving???
What you said is common knowledge..hear about it, read about it all the time. Why complain now?? Just becoz it happened to YOU? When it happened to others, you gave no shit. So now the proud mummmy's boy who is so educated, so law abiding, so high class is also getting THE treatment, he suddenly HATES the country. I say you have never loved the country before. You only love havin fun and clubbin till 2 in the mornin. And now you cannot have your fun and your ego bruised, you start whinning away. I say you are a fake. If you are for real,proves it and do something constructive and make a police report, go and see the opposition, go to the press, go to suhakam, stop voting BN ,whatever...but puhleez stop whinning here, you good for nothing. I wish you get two months time with the police instead of days. Then you will know the miseries of ordinary folks and do somethin about it instead of having fun clubbing till 2 in the mornin.

10:11 PM  
Blogger littlefox said...

This is not going to be pleasant for you, but I'm going to call your bluff. I've read your initial post carefully and all I see is very well-written propaganda, complete with the hooks to stir the reader's emotion into supporting you. I note how you've kept emphasising how 'helpless' you were, especially in the bit involving you being 'forced' to sign the document without reading it because the desk officer shouted at you to do so. I note how you put in as much angst and pathos into your writing as is possible, far more than someone recounting a traumatic experience would normally put in. I note how clear your memory of events was, despite you saying that the experience was traumatic enough to 'change' you. And most damning of all, I note how such an apparently traumatic event has been put behind you in the space of 2-3 weeks, a speed of recovery for which your psychiatrist should receive a Nobel Prize.

I note in your reply to Old Fart's comments that you only touch on how you can be 'tracked down' and the like, again emphasising your apparent helplessness. I note that you did not touch on his initial point that this drug bust at a famous club (in Sri Hartamas no less) that hauled in 22 suspects, was not chronicled in a single national newspaper.

In short, I am skeptical that you're telling the truth. Prove to us that what you wrote actually happened. If you've really got a case, bring it up to Suhakam, the press or the Opposition, like fcukger suggests. That you choose to 'expose' this on an anonymous blog on the Internet doesn't exactly make your allegations believable.

10:32 PM  
Blogger n.emator said...

I have a feeling fcukger is "old fart".

fcukger: you hypocritical shite, if you're so valiant why don't you do something instead of harassing someone who is now doing something. You're the one who is good for nothing. Seriously, what is your hateful post good for?

No one deserves this kind of abuse of power. And everyone should not be hurling malicious remarks.

10:34 PM  
Blogger n.emator said...

littlefox: I have to say your line of questioning is much more rational and more productive than this "fcukger" or "old fart".

10:36 PM  
Blogger Juliet said...

Lol the shithead went clubbing up till 2 in the morning,probrably would have gone till morning and get wasted if he wasnt picked up by the police. Worst of all he has the audacity to call himself a model of society. You just had to whine like a pansy bitch ? Like fcukger said if you think you are right, go and make a police report, go hire a lawyer, im sure mommy and daddy wont bother spending on an emokid like you who get's whatever he want's.

10:37 PM  
Blogger littlefox said...

Malicious remarks? Hardly. I'm pointing out how too well-written to evoke emotion the original post was. Old Fart (or fcukger, if it is true) had some points that weren't addressed in this blogger's reply. I would like to know why they weren't even touched upon in favour of more "Poor soul, he's so helpless" lines intended to appeal to emotion.

10:38 PM  
Blogger Popmi said...

now after reading comments from fcukger and lilfox...keeps one thinking...and thinking..

10:40 PM  
Blogger abettermalaysia said...

You are right 'fcukger', I was never really concerned, when it happened to others I never really gave a shit. And yes, if it never happened to me I would probably never have done anything.

That's because I didn't really know. That's because there so so much to look forward to ahead of me. Look around the world. Look at the peaceful ones and the war torn countries. When the economy is good and the country is thriving, there is peace, general goodwill and most people are happy. Now look at the countries that are in shambles, people are discontent and trouble never stops.

When there is a good thing going on people carry on with their lives, it's called the comfort zone.

That is me. And we are all human.

And about the whining... would you rather I do not say or do anything? Keep quiet? Let it be other peoples problems. That would be so so easy to do.

If you were me... what would you have done 'fcukger'?

I say you've judged me without even knowing me. And don't wish me to go to jail, because I would never wish that for you unless you were guilty of crime.

10:47 PM  
Blogger skeptic said...

fcukger was harsh, but i kind of agree with what he said. You're just venting, and that's fine.

But dont couch your venting by putting yourself on some kind of noble high horse and making it seem like you want to do this to make a better malaysia.

Your only motive is to get back at the b*****s who did this to you, and as you are too afraid or are convinced of the futility of filing a lawsuit, you do this instead.

You are the typical (i speculate) fairly rich or at least upper middle-class boy. Your arrogance is stunning. Pudu jail is for the "worst" of society, not "models of society" like thou?
Yes, it's the place for all those poor people who led poverty filled lives growing up, and resorted to crime because they were either forced to or didnt know any better, not rich, privileged kids like yourself right? Face it, you don't give a damn about whether this happens to anyone else.

The true test: (besides bitching anonymously on a blog) when all is said and done, what are you going to do so that no one else has to go through what you did? ...Nothing? Thought so.

10:48 PM  
Blogger Popmi said...

something just not adding up here

10:52 PM  
Blogger littlefox said...

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10:54 PM  
Blogger littlefox said...

> I say you've judged me without even knowing me. <

Likewise, you're asking us to believe you without knowing you, with little in the way of evidence to say this really happened except your word for it, vague references to locations and people and dates for which there were no recorded drug busts in a famous Sri Hartamas nightclub which, considering teh affluence of the area and the apparent fame of the club, is such a high-profile place rumblings of such an event would've come out in the media long before this.

Unless you're saying that the police force that was incompetent enough to not have documentation of your being clean is inexplicably competent when it comes to coverups.

10:57 PM  
Blogger n.emator said...

littlefox: I think you should re-read my comments. I did not say your comments were malicious. In fact, I said I preferred your line of questioning over the other two. This is a perfect example of how those two might have mis-read "abettermalaysia's" intentions.

As per your assertion that the posts are tempered by "too much emotional appeals" - is there actually evil in that? Debatable.

The crux of the matter is this - it is often-repeated that these abuses of power exists. One made it into the papers. The JAWI raid earlier that humiliated the girls beyond acceptability. My ex-schoolmate went through something similar. Even fcukger acknowledges that this is common knowledge. Read his post.

So.

Here's a guy that posts an account of what happened. He was traumatized. I don't think anyone can expect him to write an UNemotional post.

Yes, you have the right to call for proof that it happened to him. Whether he will do it, I don't know.

What I do know is.. everyone knows that everyone knows that something has happened before.

Now. The question is will we automatically crucify "abettermalaysia" before he has even begun, or will YOU give him the benefit of the doubt for a split second.

10:57 PM  
Blogger skeptic said...

really the issue is not about the benefit of the doubt. If you're going to write a venting post, at least be upfront about it.

Puhlease dont fog up what you're doing with a "for the good of the country" b.s. That's just disrespecting all those who actually do put their money where their mouth is, and toil, without recognition and reward, to see some good happen in our country.

11:02 PM  
Blogger n.emator said...

abettermalaysia: if what you say is true, I support you. In ideas, money or effort.

And I hope the positive comments here encourage you to go beyond the naysayers and those who would actually seek to destroy and inflict hardship their fellow Malaysians, and continue to let their country go to ruin.

11:03 PM  
Blogger ikanayam said...

lol i agree with the people who are basically pointing out the obvious (that this blogger is at least a moron and at best a good liar)

Sure there is God. And God help those who help themselves. Whining does not help yourself or anyone else. Wake up and smell the drugs lol.

11:04 PM  
Blogger n.emator said...

skeptic: "actually do put their money where their mouth".

Are you one of them? If not, don't adopt such a harsh tone.

littlefox already asked for proof. Now we wait. You don't have to jump on the bandwagon and lambast him from your mighty high horse.

11:04 PM  
Blogger littlefox said...

n.emator: Yes, you indeed say that you preferred my line of questioning. It was something that was posted while I was writing my response. I was specifically talking about fcukger and olf fart's comments anyway when it came to the malicious comments bit, not my own.

Please note that I'm not saying that police abuse doesn't happen. I'm only saying that I doubt that this particular incidence of abuse happened the way abettermalaysia said it did. That's a big difference.

My point in saying that his anecdote appeals too much to the emotion is that the way it reads comes across as too planned to appeal to the emotion. That is a hallmark of propaganda: bypassing rationalism by playing to raw emotion. Naturally, this is only my perception, but the strength of it rang enough alarm belss for me to ask the question of him.

You point out that he was supposed to be traumatized. I find it amazing that such trauma can be settled after a mere few weeks instead of months or even years. Will a traumatized person be emotional about his experience? Yes. Will he be able to write emotional hooks for the reader? Doubtful.

I'm not crucifying abettermalaysia before he can begin to explain himself. If I were, I wouldn't be asking for proof of his allegations. I'm pointing out things that don't seem to add up that most of his supporters (no disrepect intended, but that includes you, n.emator) don't seem to have considered.

Right now, all we have is his word. Is that enough for us to say that he's telling the truth? Or is it that we're too willing to believe the worst about the police force and the nation against all rationality?

11:11 PM  
Blogger skeptic said...

n.emator:
I'm not riding a "mighty high horse" as you say, merely pointing out the true nature of this blog. I am not in the least interested of whether this guy's accounts are true, because I accept that these incidents happen frequently and his case is no exception.

If you've ever met the selfless people who work tirelessly because they see a better country that I am too disillusioned to see, you would understand why I am a little irritated at abettermalaysia's posturing. You should meet people like Farish Noor. Steven Gan. Bakri Musa. Student leaders like Chang Lih Kang. Then you might know what I am talking about.
I am trying, in my naivete, give my little bit, with these people as my examples. Even in my little acts, I oftentimes wonder why the heck i'm giving up all my time and effort for a future I can't even imagine right now, and get discouraged by Malaysian apathy and selfishness. To me, this blog is another reflection of that syndrome.

11:21 PM  
Blogger abettermalaysia said...

It is really good that people are skeptical to what I have to say. It is true that people should not blindly believe everything that is written.

But that is your personal opinion, and free speech is what is needed. I'm not expecting everybody to believe what happened. But don't forget that there are 22 other people who will say the exact same thing.

And yes, 'skeptic', I do want to get back at the people who did this to me. But if it was you, would you? Or would you let it pass and say... hey, shit happens.

And 'skeptic'there is a difference between people who live in poverty who commit crimes because they may not have a choice and blatant corruption.

And yes, I am fortunate, I'm not rich but I have a good life to lead. But 'skeptic'probably so do you. And if it happened to you what would you do? I really do need to know because I really don't know what to do.

But right now, I'm taking one step at a time.

11:26 PM  
Blogger n.emator said...

littlefox: a dead horse is being beaten. you have asked for proof. OK. Now let's wait for him.

What prompted me to reply is that
some people here are so quick to condemn. I have no problem with you. But the other's tone they use is snickering. Which I feel is hardly needed or constructive, especially if the guy is traumatized.

On your point, who's to say more than a few weeks is needed to "get over" trauma? Also, he writes that he is still traumatized. The trauma is also no life-and-death. He was jailed, tormented. Not forced to kill someone. So, why do you think this?

11:28 PM  
Blogger littlefox said...

> But that is your personal opinion, and free speech is what is needed. I'm not expecting everybody to believe what happened. But don't forget that there are 22 other people who will say the exact same thing.<

Then why aren't these other people saying anything? Is this evidence of mass cowardice or systematic apathy in Malaysian society?

Look, I know I'm being harsh on you here, but right now you don't have a shred of proof to prove that your allegations are true, and if someone in the police does decide to charge you for sedition or libel, you're essentially screwed. It is in your interests to scrounge up as much proof if you can, if you're telling the truth, and if you aren't telling the truth then you're playing a seriously stupid and dangerous game.

11:32 PM  
Blogger abettermalaysia said...

It might seem that this blog is planned like what 'skeptic'have said. It is. I came out for many days before posting this. I wrote a letter earlier that was all angst, all anger. Thing is I cannot post that or I will not come across to the audience as a person who thinks before he opens his mouth. And I probably would not be featured in Jeff Ooi blog.

Let me know if all of you want to see my initial letter. Then maybe people will think it is more honest, and less planned.

11:33 PM  
Blogger littlefox said...

> What prompted me to reply is that
some people here are so quick to condemn. I have no problem with you. But the other's tone they use is snickering. Which I feel is hardly needed or constructive, especially if the guy is traumatized. <

I'll agree with that.

I reply because I see your replies and felt that I need to address them. Vicious cycle.

In any case, it doesn't look like abettermalaysia has or wants to put forth evidence, preferring rhetoric instead. As I said in my previous post, that's a pretty dangerous thing to do, irregardless of whether he's telling the truth or not. I'm pretty much done here.

11:34 PM  
Blogger skeptic said...

abettermalaysia:
"
And yes, 'skeptic', I do want to get back at the people who did this to me. But if it was you, would you? Or would you let it pass and say... hey, shit happens."

My point is, that's the main purpose of this blog, so you shouldn't misadvertise it under some noble pretense. There are many people working hard doing good work that you are unwittingly doing an injustice to.

"And 'skeptic'there is a difference between people who live in poverty who commit crimes because they may not have a choice and blatant corruption."
Well thought our arguments PLEASE. I was referring to your apparent stance on how Pudu was supposed to be for the dregs of society, not for people like you. Why do you want to cloud the issue by saying the magic word corruption as if that will strengthen your specious argument????


"I really do need to know because I really don't know what to do."

I wouldnt know what I would do to be honest.

That choice is for you to make. You can start by getting more informed on Malaysian issues.
Malaysiakini and bakri's blogs are good starting points, although I dont agree with all their opinions.
I dont suggest that you become a social worker or anything like that, all I'm saying is that the apathy and selfishness ( which you admit that you share ) in our society created the conditions which led to your arrest. The arrest didnt really change your character, but it gives you a chance to evaluate yourself. Are you going to remain an apathetic ( except when you get hit where it hurts ) selfish Malaysian? The choice is yours.

11:40 PM  
Blogger luciphurr said...

join amnesty international.

11:50 PM  
Blogger luciphurr said...

join amnesty international.

11:50 PM  
Blogger ikanayam said...

What, so now you're planning an "initial unplanned angry letter"?

12:03 AM  
Blogger イライン +^*^+ ピ-ズ (n_n)v said...

to oldfart, fcukger and littlefox..

i think you people should at least show some sympathy here?? my friend was involved in this thing too.. how would you really feel if this thing happened to yourself?? wouldn't you feel anger?? hatred?? disappointment?? do you think it'll do you good by condemning the blogger??

you just will not understand how he really felt at that moment.. BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T EXPERIENCE IT!! if you were to be treated like him, i'm sure your reactions will be much, much worse than his.. judging by the way you people talk.. be a bit more considerate.. what the blogger needs now is a place to voice out his own experience.. i would never have believed that this is the way the malaysian police behave.. it's just humiliating.. the blogger just needs some ears who would listen (in this case, eyes that will read).. try to think.. my comment may not open up your minds, which i think are so shallow.. to think that he only wants sympathy.. that is not the case.. probe deeper.. he wants to be heard!! and many people are turning a deaf ear on this type of situation!! and THAT is why, these problems are not solved!! because policemen are so 'powerful', no one dared to go up against them!! and this leads to the situation being unchangeable.. and it has been getting worse.. many are being mistreated and manhandled, but not many brave souls dare to voice out what really happened.. many are threatened that something bad will happen to them if they even dare to go to court.. and about those cases that oldfart mentioned.. i really think there was injustice done..

really.. it is your fellow malaysian here being mistreated and all you people can say is "i think you are a liar", "you just want sympathy".. what if this person is your family?? would you tell him the same thing?? since you people did not really witness what really happened?? you mean you'd trust your family?? do you think the blogger has so much time just to set up a blog and talk crap?? seriously, i look down on the three of you.. no kindness and not sympathetic at all.. i wonder if the three of you even have a heart.. let's hope that the same thing happen to the three of you and then we'll see how you feel, aight?? i think that's the best solution..

to the blogger,

i totally sympathise with you.. and honestly, such an full account of the event just really showed how deeply the event has left you scarred.. it's bad, and really bad.. and man, i got so angry with the comments by oldfart, fcukter and littlefox.. i just couldn't help myself but leave this long comment..

may God be with you.. i really do hope your scars will be healed.. and yeah, don't change who you really are cuz it ain't worth it to change just because of the corrupted police.. i'm not sure what you believe in, but just something for you..

"God made you who you are, and you are precious in His eyes"

so, don't change.. i mean, definitely this experience will haunt you, non doubt it will.. be strong, cuz you still have your family and a girlfriend to support you..

God bless~

12:33 AM  
Blogger littlefox said...

Person with kana name that I cannot be bothered to try and translate with my meagre command of written Japanese:

In other words, I should just shut up when I hear a sob story that I don't believe?

Plain fact of the matter is the blogger put his thoughts down on the Internet, in public. That naturally invites scrutiny and criticism from people who aren't convinced. That was a risk the blogger probably knew about and accepted.

12:40 AM  
Blogger イライン +^*^+ ピ-ズ (n_n)v said...

get a grip littlefox.. go somewhere to bitch about your uncertainty.. don't bother about my name, cuz you are just not meant to know what it means.. shallow.. uncertained.. seriously, i believe in retribution.. for being so unsympathetic, perhaps you'll really get a taste of it.. update me when it really happens.. i'll be glad to hear about it.. and perhaps add more salt to your injury by calling you a liar.. ain't it tasty??

1:04 AM  
Blogger whoopa said...

why dont you do legal action .. or report it to the malay mail to investigate .... i think if you want people to know u need to make it in a national wide audience .. and not in a blog ..

and i think it doesnt really matter if this is real .. its a blog ... a blog does not mean it is a form of authenticity .. to me a blog or heck even a website can used to rant .. whine or watever ... i dont think u guys need him to authenticate the thing ...

do it .. bring the media into this .. find the opposition ... bring justice to the nation and then a better malaysia nick suits u .. other than tat ppl will only think of u as a attention whore ....

1:09 AM  
Blogger littlefox said...

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1:14 AM  
Blogger LED said...

In my opinion, at least abettermalaysia is doing SOMETHING about all this. Even if he doesn’t bring it up to Suhakam or what not, he is at least making some people aware about this. He is voicing it out in his own way! To oldfart, fcukger, littlefox, are you better than him since you’ve known about this but have never voiced it out in any way at all? Eventhough you may say we always hear about things like this happening, some of us don’t really have any proof. And the newspapers do not report about police raids EVERYTIME they happen, so what’s so surprising that this particular one didn’t make it in the newspapers?

It is fine if some of you think he is being overly emotional and utterly dramatic about the issue but some people are just like that. Bravo to you, if you go thru this kind of shit all the time and are not at all affected by it.

And fcukger, who are you to assume that if a person loves to club till 2am in the morning that he is not patriotic, or doesn’t love his country?

1:25 AM  
Blogger abettermalaysia said...

Dear Littlefox,

Could we have something constructive from you? You are seroiusly veering off topic besides trying to bite a piece out of everybody.

You can doubt me, but don't make this your playground and attack all the other bloggers.

Please be considerate.

1:28 AM  
Blogger littlefox said...

abettermalaysia: Everything constructive I've got to offer has already been given. I apologise for hogging the comments page and will refrain from it from the future.

For your easy reference, what I've suggested so far are these:

- IF there is truth to your story, then it is in your best interest to gather as much evidence as is possible, especially since you've put your allegations on a public blog. This is because if someone in the police decides to charge your for libel and you don't have any evidence to back your story up, you're screwed irregardless of whether you're telling the truth or not. Like me and the other naysayers on this comments page, the judge isn't exactly going to find in favour of you based on just your say-so.

- IF you're making it up, I'd seriously recommend you retract your piece. As I said, you've put your allegations on a public blog and if someone decides to call your bluff, then you're going to experience your made-up story firsthand.

In my mind, there is no longer a middle ground for you to take now that you've effectively gone public (even if it's on the 'Net): either pursue it to the bitter end the proper way (Suhakam, the mainstream media, your local MP or the Opposition) or drop it and swallow your discontent. What you allege is no small matter.

1:40 AM  
Blogger Popmi said...

I have a question: what makes up a "model of society"?

1:54 AM  
Blogger ikanayam said...

Me

2:02 AM  
Blogger ikanayam said...

Seriously, if you can't take the reactions of other people, don't bother posting up stuff on t3h interweb. You may be screaming "ZOMG pity me!" but not everyone thinks you deserve that pity. Deal with it.

Littlefox didn't attack anyone. Maybe lesser beings feel inferior to him because he can express his opinions well.

Personally, i feel that your nickname is a personal insult to each and every Malaysian. Please be considerate.

2:10 AM  
Anonymous Apollo market said...

Do you all think NTV edisi siasat can help these 22?

2:12 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i say you all here need to stop complaining and feel afraid of complaining. Fear is what the BN government wants you to feel. So that you would not complain. So that you would not expose the truth. So that you would continue to vote for UMNO, UMNO, UMNO, and UMNO.

You guys want to make a difference? Sincerely want to make a difference?

Vote. Register yourselves to vote and vote for an opposition party in 2009.

Don't make yourselves victims of circumstances.

2:42 AM  
Blogger Corgan Sow said...

LOL, since when dis is all about politics?

Even if a crapload of us vote for some opposition party, UMNO will still reign at 2009. Is PAS credible? The Malays don't trust DAP either. So we're dommed after all =P

So, what this guy gonna do? How is he going to get Malaysia better? By continuing to sit in front of computer and whine "Dun be so nasty on me lah!"

2:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

God Bless you my friend...were all doomed...why dont you just stay indoors after 12 a be a good citizen. Maybe have fun during the raya's so that maybe even during that time you wont be caught of anything.

And by the way, there is not point in whining, yes you made a good start by listing the happenings, ur personal tragedy and 22 others, but sorry to say no francis nadarajah going to come home from death nor the rest of the 100+ Indians killed...

2:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sorry...francis udayapan....

3:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If I were you, I would never sign anything. First thing, call your lawyer. If you don't have one, tell the police you're getting a lawyer and won't sign no shit till the lawyer arrives. It's good to have some lawyer as friends. At least you learn something.

To all young party goers out there, learn how to tackle these issue in an event you get rounded up.

3:23 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

well, i just got here....
but i know sh!t like this happens man.... a lot of ppl get hurt this way, but what the h3ck is a "model of society" doing clubbing 'til 2am? i definitely won't have the audacity to call myself that. but if you're talking about injustice, i support you.
but you'll never get anything by blogging here.
and you cant go public either.
just try to get over it man.
but the little guy on my other shoulder tells me that if we do nothing, there will be no change.

3:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

fcukger, people like you sit ard expecting shit, accepting shit as part and parcel of life, refusing to AT LEAST hate it, save do something about it. everyone has their own background, their own lives... if the abettermalaysia was an educated mummy's boy (and i don't see why we should be mean to him for that, but i do sense strong jealousy from your direction), and he feels hammered now because of his experience, let him be. why must you force upon others how you would react or feel?

littlefox, even if this whole shit was made up by abettermalaysia, is there not AT LEAST a glimpse of real life in it? if you ask me, there is. my own legally employed maid was put through such a 3D/3N ordeal, worse. 'cos she was crampped in a pitch dark cell with 5 others. they shitted and urinated there all three days. as a result she suffered a curable lung disease from another woman.

and what's this about too well-written to be true? then why believe autobiographies of people who have been through terrible moments?

xxx

4:15 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

don;t blame the police blame the government...
The government pay so little for government offcial that induce them to accpet bribe... in singapore such iccident won;t happen because they get so high pay and won;t risk to take bribe ... malaysian governmet sux

4:45 AM  
Blogger Suryanata said...

i wonder what is the true irony here. Is what he say the hidden ignorant malaysians or the people posting here flamming him off everything. I guess you're all the same.

For starters you do realize that reality wise corruption and bad police handlings happen often right?

He could have come with more evidence and it would have certainly helped. However why smack down and say no? It does not mean it is a fraud. For all i know he dint say the police threatened to blow his head off or god forbid, drag a military tank to the club. Him giving no evidence does not mean that it is fake either.

Lastly, for his sake if it is true i give my regrets. However for all of our sake you should fight for it. It does not have to sue but for all of our better future, and why not even with the tax payer's money. That's even better.

4:59 AM  
Blogger littlefox said...

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5:05 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

wow,i must say i was stunned for a few moments after reading ur blog..
i dun have much to say, i think i'm rather young compared to the rest of you here, but i'd like to drop in a few lines anyway..
firstly, i sympathise with you for your ordeal...i can't even imagine me in ur shoes..and i definitely can't say that i understand how you feel...
you have gone through a lot...but try seeing it this way...you got to see with ur very own eyes what is it really like behind closed doors...and sharing it on ur blog is good..but most importantly, do not harbour the anger inside... yes, the 22 of you have been disappointed by the police force and the government.. but dun let it tarnish the reputation of the truly dedicated ones... i agree that the police especially are corrupted..but i'm certain there are still some that aren't...we just don't see them...where they are..i don't know...
we are all disappointed at different times of our lives...but let's not forget that everyone, is human...we are all subjected to the same challenges, choosing between what's good and what's bad...
never lose faith in Malaysia...she is still young and has lots to learn...
the reasons behind the corrupted policemen's deeds are beyond our knowledge...it can be greed...but it can also be because of their own difficulties...they don't earn much and some choose the easy way out...bribery...
i think our leaders are aware of these things...and they too have their share of headaches...once again...malaysia is young with lots to learn...and she won't learn without the help of us malaysians..if we give up on her...what would happen to her??
well, my point is...all 22 of u, and who knows how many more outside, have been wronged and mistreated...i do hope that you recover...but never let the bitterness get the better of you...let it be an eye opener...for you to do your part to make a change...with your experience.. you can make a difference...never lose faith...

5:42 AM  
Anonymous Apollo market said...

ABetterMalaysia,
Let's have a subject that speaks about what is our rights when we confronted by these lawless bastards so that the rests know how to fight back.

5:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, i think i can understand a fraction of how u must have felt.My
boyfriend was involved in the drug bust as well.Being overseas, i was unable to see him and had to resort to comforting him over the phone.Listening to him and now reading your blog, i do have a better understanding of what happened.I just wanted to say society and law enforcers are corrupted everywhere. Well, keep in mind, there are many of
your friends and ur gf who are deeply concerned over you, and tried and still trying to help you cope with what happened.Thats something else to think about. Friends who are there for you even when shit happens. Take care dude.

6:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

After reading your blog, at first I found the story rather unbelievable, but then I somehow believe what you said generally eventhough I think you exagerated certain part.

Sensed that you are well educated. Hope you are aware of the rules and regulations in blogging ethically.

In fact, not only you, there were countless police brutality cases worse that what you had written not reported in the news. Innocents deaths by unlawful interrogation during custody. Our police is too powerful. They knew all the paperwork to cover their ass. If you want to sue them you need evidence.

I believe in you because I had a friend caught and locked up for one day for alkohol counts. You are right about the stripping of clothes, and he is allowed to make calls to his family for a charge (less than what you had mentioned though). They even beat him up. My friend said they used a cloth to cover his head, then hit him on the head with something solid he did not know what it was. He said the pain was so intense that even if you were innocent, that method of interrogating will make an innocent man confessed guilty. There was no paperwork, he is a clean man as far as paper is concerns, so he let it go and continue to live happily.

If you feel worth it and really want a better malaysia and not just the sake of blogging, you can bring your case to the SUHAKAM, SUARAM and the media.

You may win the case against the police in certain area such as the phone calls (do not erase the SMS they sent to Jack's mother - I was thinking there is some exageration in your stories about the SMS, the police are not that stupid to get themselves caught, are they?), urine in a bottle instead of toilet, does not inform you of your rights to get a lawyer, etc.

While it does not guarantee that the same thing will happen again in future to some other people, your case (if you win) will contribute to the statistics of police brutality case that can actually provide direct pressure to the government to change some of the procedures and rules used by the police. Since SUHAKAM has been working hard on this, they should be very willing to help you (if your case is genuine).

What are the points that make me in doubt? (1) the SMS (2) as a well educated guy, signing a document without reading it is very very rare because you were not at gun point.

We don't know you, you don't know us, some may or may not believe you. I believe in true freedom of speech. fcukger and littlefox made their points. I made mine and so does the rests. What's your next step? Are you going to continue blog and show us evidence and blog and blog and blog? Or bring the case to the respective association or media?

What I'm going to say is blogging alone is not going solve your problem, help you much, and make a better malaysia. You are anonymous. You are not reachable. Unless you reach out for help, no one would really care to go and find out what your IP was track you to your house to offer help.

I do not agree with littlefox negativity for asking people to shut up and continue to live miserably. Maybe he is miserable and is looking for people with the same faith. Abettermalaysia, you should prove your genuinity, if you really what people to believe you. If you don't help yourself first, no one can help you.

Littlefox sounds so respectful to the fucking police assholes. Maybe he is one or has been one, or his father is a police. Somehow he is related to the police.

For me, I'd rather believe the weak than the strong. This is the thing, abettermalaysia is a bluff or not, in any case the malaysian police has been known for brutality. If everyone says he is a bluff, then probably the authority will ignore this blog. In this case, the bad police is pampered. Maybe, they are reading this blog, and say "hey, you see no one bothers, we can do this again". I'd rather have the authority look into this than just letting it go like that. If abettermalaysia is a bluff, he will be trialled. If the police is guilty, they should be trialled. In any case, we have a better society.

Littlefox really behaves like a little fox. A fast cunning animal that tresspass the fence and get a bite here and a bite there. Beware of the hungry fox, it will return!

7:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've read about it and I cringed. What do you think they're doing? Persecution?

Most probably, they're out to discourage people going to pubs. Cos it's "haram". They can't ban it so they come up with this idea.

8:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

pretty unlawful idea for the ones that are supposed to uphold the law for us eh?

kudos to the long comment 2 annonymous up- just like to add to the 1-2 you mentioned.. *with the assumption that the incident happened, and what is said largely true*

1)if they had the guts to break the law they were supposed to uphold then i suppose it got to their heads? so an overzealous (or stupid) SMS would not be completely unlikely, would it?

2)at gun point or not, educated or not, being scared the shit out of you doesn't help much when you're asked to sign something like that.

yo, ABM, you answer him more clearly- well, last words, just continue to seek the truth. i suppose with the truth, you should be infallible. maybe not seemingly so to your fellow man. but to God =)

take heart man, even if the laws of man may fail you, God won't, in the end.

9:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

if your girlfriend, your wife, your daughter, or your niece came up to you crying and told you she was raped, would you believe her?

what if she told you, the last thing she remembered was walking home from the bus stop 9pm after work, and woke up by the bushes, feeling uncomfortable at her privates, would you still believe her?

if the police told you the rapist left no evidence, as the rapist was careful, or should i say professional, would you still believe her?

what if the doctors said the rapist did not leave any trace in her because he wore a condom, and there's no sign of abuse, would you still believe her?

if your a happy, loving, caring person, who's having a great relationship with this victim, would you say that she made it up?

would you say that she's trying to get sympathy?

or would you help her find justice, instead of accusing her, and teasing her?

if she came to a dead end, and turned to the internet for help, would you post on her webpage saying that she deserved it because she wore a skirt to work, instead of pants?

the search for justice and greatness, must be carried out by the emotional, the skeptical, the ones in-the-know and the wise ones. the emotional to fuel the process, the skepticals to take care of the loop holes, the in-the-know to guide the process, and the wise ones to keep evreybody on the same page. the skepticals should work together, or call the bluff, in a respectable manner, instead of becoming a keyboard commando, shooting people down with your unthoughtful words, while hiding yourself behind the computer.

i know nothing as i've not seen enough to pretend i know, but i do know that for everything we need to start somewhere. many might have began this journey long ago and stopped short along the way, discouraged or beaten down. but if this crusade will bring the better to all of us, why not lets try to make this the last one that'll be fruitful for all?

9:08 AM  
Blogger fcukger said...

A SERIOUS WARNING

I'm takin no shit from people who think with their hearts and not with their brains.

I'll give 24 hours for you to admit your folly and retract what you said.Failin which, I'll do you a favour and get more noise , just like you said you want, and send your post to the following. Please make sure mummy dearest and daddy know what you are doing first. Or they might get a heart attack or stroke. Do not be misled by anonymous armchair critics who edge you on while they watch. Life is such that sometimes, discretion is indeed the better part of valour. Even Jeff Ooi knows that. Malaysia should be made a better place, but for the right reasons, not for your bruised ego. And by the right people. And certainly not by you, at least not yet.

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9:26 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You got my sympathy. Some comments here are really unhelpful, some are downright antagonistic. Police brutality and corruption happens too frequently in Malaysia. This is already documented in the Royal Police Recommendations. The sad part is nobody seem to be doing anything about it. $10 for a cigarette and $150 for getting a phone call or meal from outside? These policemen must be making a fortune. You paid big buck and don't even get decent treatment!
Yes, I think you should sue them. Even though you don't win the case or get any money from them, at least you can try. You never know what dirt you can kick up! Get a good lawyer - Karpal Singh from DAP. At least talk to them.
Another weird idea is to join the police force, go undercover, dig out the dirt like some newspaper reporter in Western countries. Record their conversation, record their corrupt procedures, take photos from within their organisation and then expose them. This is dangerous and not for the faint of heart but I think this is the only way to fight back against the dark empire.
Wish you the best of luck.
May the force be with you.

Superlotto

10:08 AM  
Blogger abettermalaysia said...

Ok... seems that I have a lot of questions to answer. So I guess I'll do it one step at a time.

1) About the SMS, you're right, the prison policeman is not stupid. He has two phones. The phone used is a prepaid line, which means no record of who he is. How I know this? Well, he kind of explained it to us how the 'payment system' works.

2) How an educated person could sign a document without reading. Well, you don't need a gun, all you need to do is keep a guy awake for 24 hours, don't give him any food or water, make him sit on the floor all morning, then intimidate him by being rough and loud. It has absolutely nothing to do with education, I wasn't aware of my rights.

3) People are asking me to go to the media, in truth, it was already in the media, the Malay Mail wrote of the incident, from the perspective of a man who escaped detention due to the fact he had a doctor's perscription for certain drugs that he must take. Besides, I have gone to the media myself and I will update you on which and when later.

4) To 'fcukger', THOSE ARE ALL THE CONTACTS I WANT!!! I could kiss you! Especially Badawi with his stand against corruption, somehow he gives me an air of confidence. But seriously 'fcukger', how is anybody going to take you seriously with a name like that? Try to change it before you forward it to all those you've listed or you might be doing more harm than good for my cause. And forget about the count down, do it now. I've already approached the media.

Doing all this is no laughing matter. People have approached me and say... 'what?... forget about it, what are you trying to do? change the world?' And they do have a point. But Im taking baby steps.

Maybe I'll go all the way, maybe I'll stop and go back to my life. Either way, I need to take it a step at a time. Either way, I hope I have already made a difference.

10:23 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hmm... felt sorry for ya...

well... in d end... wat can we do... dis is how it is.. "our beautiful" malaysia...

treat it as a life experience...a terrible dream.. many injustice things are taking place, even as we speak... both u and i noe it very well...

in a nutshell.. be strong.. no selfpity..

felt sorry for ya...

10:43 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

fcukger...
no need to count down lah~
juz send it now please... if wat u said is true and u are a man of ur words (if u are a man lah~), we should expect some reactions from the relevant department soon right? They should be investigating on this issue after U(fcukger) send this situation mail to them right? So please... do wat u said... but no need to count down... juz send it... please...

Whether the department that u listed will do anything or not is another matter... But we need others to know... and what our dear abettermalaysia has done here is to create awareness... Wats wrong with tat? Its for a good cause okie... think with ur brain u said... I tink wat abettermalaysia did could result in good ending if all goes well... so why muz u condemn him like tat...

Hope tat relevant department will investigate and take actions against those culprits... whack them jialat jialat and serve as an example...

12:55 PM  
Blogger littlefox said...

Sorry, abettermalaysia, but I cannot let this anonymous' comments go unanswered.

> I do not agree with littlefox negativity for asking people to shut up and continue to live miserably. <

That was not what I'm telling him to do. I point out that his account is suspect because it is clearly exaggerated in some instances and clearly written with intent to appeal to emotion on others, which is what propaganda is all about. More importantly, I also point out that since this are serious allegations he should either gather his evidence as self-defence (IF it's true) or drop it and apologize also as self-defence (IF it's untrue or he's unwilling to pursue the case). That doesn't count as telling him to shut up; it's just simple sense.

> Littlefox sounds so respectful to the fucking police assholes. <

Only because everyone else seems to be willing to say that the police are definitely guilty based on their preconceptions and broad allegations by a blogger on the Internet, all while saying that abettermalaysia should be given the benefit of doubt considering his article. How hypocritical is that?

>This is the thing, abettermalaysia is a bluff or not, in any case the malaysian police has been known for brutality.<

And if he turns out to be a bluff with everyone saying that he's telling the truth, what impact do you think that would have on the pursuit of justice in Malaysia? What effect would it have on whatever activities organizations like Suhakam have been doing to get better oversight of police activities? What effect will it have on the anti-corruption drive initiated by the PM?

I'll outline it for you: IF it turns out abettermalaysia is bluffing and everyone believes his bluff, then whenever real incidences of abuse pop up in the mainstream media the police will have reasonable basis for saying "You're jumping to conclusions". Plausible deniability. It's the Boy Who Cried Wolf parable, see?

As I've said before, I know I'm harsh, but that doesn't mean I'm not concerned. If I wasn't concerned, I'd just say to myself "Meh, this fellow is lying" and move on to something else. Instead, here I am trying to knock some critical thought into the knee-jerk "Oh! The police/gahmen must be wrong!" reaction that frequently make up the responses to this sort of allegation.

Another anonymous wrote:

> if your a happy, loving, caring person, who's having a great relationship with this victim, would you say that she made it up? <

That is what's called letting personal relationships cloud your judgement. It's natural, but it doesn't make the supposed victim's allegations 100% true in real life.

abettermalaysia: I see you've taken my advice. Good. Assuming you have a case, then you're living up to your name.

6:21 PM  
Blogger Old Fart said...

Bettermalaysia, what ever it was I wrote seems to have initiated this post. Wow....never realised I had that effect on anyone.

Anyway, reality has an uncanny way of cutting through sugar and spice and getting to the core of the bite you are taking. It is that core that I'd rather you see now before you venture into your task.

I have not bothered about the veracity of your story. I have no reason to doubt it nor any to believe it. I take it as it comes. I am sorry that it happened to you or for that matter anyone else. But is it any worse than the one that Francis Udayapan would want to tell us all, but cannot? Is it any worse than any story that any Indian suspect would want to tell but cannot, not because they are dead, but because they cannot articulate it as well as you can here?

Well, your experience a few weeks ago awoke you to the horrors that have been around in this beloved country of ours for a long time now. If it can happen to Anwar Ibrahim, now, who really are you to complain? Where were you and what were you doing when Francis Udayapan died? Oh, by the way, do you even know who Francis Udayapan is? Or for that matter do you think even your own folks know who he is? If they don't and if you don't I will tell you now, shut this bloody blog immediately and go on with life....be thankful you are alive today and that is it. Don't you or any of the other juvenile delinquents here who were hardly over puberty when Anwar Ibrahim got whacked tell me how I should feel or think.

Of what can potentially happen, you can be charged with publishing false news. Now if you think that is a joke, ask Irene Fernandez that question before replying me. And, BTW, do you know who Irene is? Do you know why she deserves a congratulatory note from you and all of us? Somehow, it seems like you have been given a rude awakening and the world is just opening up in front of you and you are seeing that the world is not as small as it seemed all your life. Welcome to my world.

No, I don't need a blog to say my piece. But I know how some of my ideas have crept into law, or crept into certain decisions.

Most importatnly, I would like to remind you of one precedent set by the courts in Malaysia. One Federal Court Judge has made the relevance of irrelevance relevant. And by just using that oe magical word "irrelevant" what ever it is that you might have as evidence or testimony or otherwise, becomes irrelevant and the judge does not have to give you any reason for it and his decision. Now, let me just ask you. You have published all this. Let us assume you have others to testify for you and you have evidence to prove your assertions. The judge says, irrelevant! What you going to do? Anwar Ibrahim could do nothing!

And as for the national media. They failed to report that Justice Eusoff Chin took a New Zealand Holiday with one V.K. Lingam, Vincent Tan's lawyer and now Mahathir's lawyer too. Does that mean that holiday did not happen?

7:01 PM  
Anonymous WomenOfGod said...

Well well well...i dare say this comments from most of you which i will not name is truly somewhat humiliating to us Malaysians..no sympathy or any kindness in you heart.All you guys can say is "Stop whinning","bluffer".."this is all a Fake"
This is going to be long.........

LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING!!!
IF you find this is a fake,why bother replying to the blogger aka abettermalasia.why bother telling him off?If you think he's just looking for sympathy,let it be..

I believe every 'bloggers' will not want any stupid,rediculous bloggers like some of you to post such a hurtful comments.I am really surprised that you can call yourself a Malaysian.

To n.emator and little fox..please try not to argue ont his "comment post"
These are comments to the blogger not about both of you..and i'm not saying that the comments here are totally wrong.Everybdy has something to say and of curse some maybe HARSH but that doesn't mean nobody cares.

Yeah it can be a fake..but think AGAIN!!

WHY??why would "abettermalaysia" would wanna waste his ass time to write these blog?so early in the morning?well maybe you can think 'yeah..he's looking for sympathy',nah this person has nothing else better to do'

For goodness sake HAVE A HEART!!
Just pray for him to ask God to help him.Don't condamned the blogger.If you want to make his life much more misserable..go ahead.I dare you!

There is also one question that "someone"(won't mention her name) ask "How can the blogger get back this his feet after what has happen to him??"
Well i can answer your question!
He..has his family to support him!
He..has faith and believe in HOPE!!

Don't believe me??
What has happen to him..has happen to my friend before and he's not just a friend..he's my brother.Of course that happens a year ago and he's living a happy life now..

I know a friend of mine who is an inspector.He said these things to happen.Pranks,accused you name it.BUT..he of course don't know who are these.Even if he knows..most of them are in higher ranking than he is.

Well..i hope these message will get to those of you who read this.Of course if the blogger is looking for attention and it's just up to no good.I pray that you will stop wasting your time blogging but do something to improve your life for better.
To-abettermalaysia,

If what you wrote is true..I pray that God will healed your wounds and brings back hope and courage and also faith in youer life.Get your life back on track.
You have a family and GF who loves you and to support you.Don't give up on Hope and God.
Write to STAR newspaper..they will definately post it in.Remember,blogging will not do you good..yes u only can voice out but as u can see on your comments,no good advise has been given to you.I meant mostly are not good advise to you but condamnation.So voice it out to the press..if u don't wanna do it..I can do you for you.Only with your permission to do that.
There's still time to get the buggers (police) and put them to justise.

To-"commenters"

Those of you who has been bringing him down,i hope that u will oppologise to the blogger as i can see some of you really have no heart towards what the bloggers been going through at all.Put urself in his shoes.You will never wanna experience what he's going through.You think these things only happen to rich kids?COME ON..GET A GRIP!!! These S**T happens to everyone in malaysia.Just pray that it doesn't get to you.
And to those of you who has ben giving advise..welldone!! you truly has been a blessing in giving advise and support although you barely know the blogger.

As for who am i to write these.i say these are comments..so i have the right to voice out my oppinions :)I'm just here to help and i mean no harm to anyone.I too am a Malaysian citizen y'know.So we as a united nation should help one another.
I was a buddhist..I myself wanted to end my life when i reach the end of the road and no where to go.
Thats when I've found JESUS.And i'm already a 10 year old Christian and he still works miracle in my life..specially healing.

To the blogger..always pray to God for strenght.I know you are not a christian but believe in Him and pray that God will do the pusnishing towards the police man who did this to you and all the other 21 person.
You don't know me..and i don't know you.But if u believe in God and pray for strenght.He will definately work a miracle in your life.Like how he did a miracle in my life!!!Even if you refused to believe in Him..He still loves you.Even before you were born!

u can write to me if u need a word of advise or anything.Am there to help.Not only you but ppl that's already lost hope in life and in their country or even families.

May the Lord bless you and your families always and forever.Just trust in Him and see miracles happen.

-sorry if anything offensive has been written here..but i speak from my heart-

cazlynncazy@yahoo.com

9:24 PM  
Anonymous WomenOfGod said...

oh yeah...i forget

Please shut these blog off and get on with life..Don't waste your life thinking.

DO SOMETHING!!!

9:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Womenofgod is right, shutdown the blog. It doesn't do you any good. You've seen enough comments/advice. Now its time for you to decide and DO SOMETHING!

9:57 PM  
Blogger Old Fart said...

Oh womenogod....why so patronising one? Yes there are many who are encouraging him. Some discouraging him. But when the bottom falls off from the sky it is a bettermalasyia who would have to stand alone and face it. The rest of us can only be the audience at best. All of our sympathies and posturing here is not going to help him any. If he wants to, at this time there is only PoliceWatch, an NGO, that looks into Police brutality and crimes that will be in any position to take this any further. If abettermalaysia was serious about his intentions about acting he should not have brought this to the public domain. Now that it is in the public domain.....all that you will be able to hear is only denials from the cops. You expect the cops to say that they took RM50 for a cigerate? And RM150 for a phone call? You must be kidding. For all I know unless whoever received the call had saved the number, tracing that call would be difficult to say the least. Fr all you know the cops who were there and posted there when abettermalaysia was a resident would have by now been transferred out...You can't even trace them.

9:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

old fart... den do u wan malaysia to be better or not?

if u wan, meaning u wana see a change rite?

a change muz start from somewhere... dun underestimate the power of masses... u juz see philipines... if the public is mostly not happy with it and all rally to ask for change, u tink things will still dun change?

its a matter of getting more people to stand out and voice out... maybe this time will fail, but dun just put people down and tell them straight in the face that things will not change and u will fail...

wth, to achieve anything without trying? i see the potential that this blog can bring... u might not be able to see it... well, so be it... they see it and hopefully they carry out some work... but at least something out from this bloody blog came out... people now rally here to tok about this issue...

perhaps u are harden by the reality of wat u been through and u are saying things out of experiences... but hey, things do change... look at the dynasty of ancient china... empire rise and fall... it all stem out from man's will and execution of the actions by masses...

execute well and gain the support of the people, u will succeed... we all want the better for malaysia... we dun wan the same old problem to be here...

we dun wan our future malaysians who could be our frenz, our kids, we ourselves to still face this issue... we want a change, a change for the better isn't it?

dun deny straight that this blog is useless, anyone... pls...it has serve well... =)

10:33 PM  
Anonymous lim kit siang said...

Very angry and very sad when I read what you and the other 21 went through. Would like to contact you directly for details to do what I can to ensure our country is a more civilised place.

email address: limkitsiang@gmail.com

10:40 PM  
Blogger Dragon City said...

First of all, ready sorry about what u had been thru. Anyway, i had one suggestion here, that is maybe you can try to report the case to MCA. I'm sure they able to help, at least they can make better public attention than from blogging it here.

Anyway, no matter what are the outcome...life goes on..

10:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Life is like a box of chocolate. You never know what will happen next. The ppl in Police Department might make you feel how corrupted or watever m'sia is. This is what I would call Karma. Take it easy. You already lucky enough to born in M'sia. Think if you were to born somewhere else. Every Country has their own system and shits. So let it be. Other country is the same. Just we never see it in real life. This is life. Don't get too upset with it. In terms of Karma, you might have done this to someone else in past life. You just never know. You just a piece of chocolate. Can you see how small you are in this world? Look at the bright side. Life is not fufilled without ups and downs. And I biliv every little thing that happen around us would change us. But remember, live life the right way.

11:10 PM  
Anonymous Apollo market said...

What annonymous commented was absolutely right. Only being spitirually can take your hatred away. Be close to the Great Teacher and you will know the truth.

11:19 PM  
Anonymous FC said...

I want to know if any girls get caught? i wonder if they have to strip and only wear pants..
To the owner of this blogger, I'd like to express my sympathy. But i know this is not enough. I believe corruption is everyday, it's just a normal human being's characteristics - greed.
So many comments here saying bring it to the authority, bring to MCA to the press, i think this will do no good because the authority is people we should be scared of.
As long as we know how to avoid trouble, and be extremly polite to them, they'll hold nothing against you. I do worry much about the girls getting caught eventhough is innocent, there's a lot of things happening out there that we do not know.. and no one is doing anything about it. At the end of the day, I believe that what goes around comes around, and God will serve justice right up to their doors.

11:33 PM  
Anonymous FC said...

would like to share with you all that must becareful of what you blog.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/167812/1/.html

11:40 PM  
Anonymous FC said...

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/167812/1/.html

11:41 PM  
Anonymous FC said...

lnews/view/167812/1/.html

11:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hv fwd this to the relevant agencies.

They will go through mimos to reach u. They won't post it here. They will call u in for further investigation.

If what u say is not true, I think it is better that u remove this page.

If what u said is true, report to the police and go to the media.

hope it helps.

Abettermalaysian.

12:24 AM  
Anonymous WomenOfGod said...

"anonymous" you did the right thing to forward these blog.
and "fc" too..is right..
BE CAREFUL OF WHAT YOU BLOG!!!

Yes..women do get strip and caught and whats worst..RAPE.
There are even cases like "woman got rape by police"(specially those plain shirt police)although the percentage of cases towards women is very low.
I know how hard it is to live a humiliating life.Esspecially for women..these cases don't really come out to the press because it's been kept secret.No women will want to tell out what has really happen to them(if it really happens)because they find no hope in life and no point telling anyone because they feel humiliated and rejected and worthless.I know because i'm a women too.

Like those 22 guys..they did no wrong but most of Malaysian citizen normally will recognise one or two faces while they get down from the lorry then to court.Like i said..you do no wrong yet..people think the other way.

Nowadays..police takes thing forgranted and missused their powers towards us Malaysian citizen.

12:50 AM  
Anonymous WomenOfGod said...

You need a lawyer??
Let me know..my cousin brother is a lawyer..he can help
some of my friends too are lawyers..they too can help

If you really want to solve this and prevent this cases to happen again..start doing something..talk to your friends about it..ask them for your oppinion..do what your heart tells you.Don't sit and wait for comments to tell you what to do..cause in the end..time is wasted and nothing's done!

1:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I read this blog with a growing sense of disgust and abhorrence. However, I do not believe that the entire Royal Malaysian Police is like this. What I can imagine is that there are elements within the police force, operating as little rogue units that conduct unsanctioned raids, overstep their bounds as police officers and basically do everything that they did to abettermalaysia and the 21 others. These rogue elements are nothing new, basically they exist in almost every law enforcement agency in the world, as is the case when human nature meets power – power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Look at Abu Ghraib in Iraq, I dare say those poor inmates suffered more at the hands of ONLY a FEW army officers, and that should not reflect on the rest of the system but sadly it does. It’s like that Malay proverb, setitik nila…

I wanna comment on some of the comments… haha (no pun intended)

littlefox said:

… but right now you don't have a shred of proof to prove that your allegations are true, and if someone in the police does decide to charge you for sedition or libel, you're essentially screwed. It is in your interests to scrounge up as much proof if you can, if you're telling the truth, and if you aren't telling the truth then you're playing a seriously stupid and dangerous game…

Last time I checked, most common law systems accept sworn testimonies as decent enough proof or evidence that something happened. If 22 people gave the same sworn testimony, there isn’t a court in this world, save for those run by dictators like Saddam or Idi Amin, who wouldn’t give the case the merit it deserves. Furthermore, there are tons of people a special government prosecutor can round up to verify the truth behind this incident. Family and friends of loved ones who tried to bail them out, the money that was paid for bail surely must leave a paper trail, what about cleaners, bartenders, waiters at Soda who can also be questioned… basically something of this magnitude cannot be totally covered up.

Reading some of the comments here from sceptic, old fart and fcukger, it saddens to me to see that there are still Malaysians among us who are so defeatist. Every society in the world that has ever been oppressed has eventually won over their oppressors and defeated them through sheer strength of will. I quote example ranging from the American, French and Bolshevik revolutions, the more modern examples of Ceaucescu in Romania, Idi Amin in Uganda and Saddam in Iraq. At some point, the people will win, but it requires a combination of people who stand up and come forward with their story, people who lend support, people who act on the behalf of the weaker and the less willing, etc. It’s a group effort people and what does NOT work is defeatist, lame ass, let’s-just-take-this-ass-shafting kinda attitudes.

This blog is an amazing first step. Blogs are empowering Malaysians to come forward under the guise of anonymity with these stories of injustice and I believe it should be spread. Readers of this blog, forward this to as many people with email accounts as possible. Last time I checked, there are over 8 million Internet users in Malaysia, and for the rest of the country, print it out, distribute it and let’s get Malaysia talking. Let’s make this the topic of conversation at every Indian mamak, Chinese shop and Malay gerai. Let it flow up and down our society until the Bangla immigrant and the Prime Minister hears about it.

If no action is taken for whatever reason on this particular instance, at least the word is out. Hopefully, this rogue elements in the police will be a lot more scared to pull off this kind of shit in the future. What more, if enough people get to talking about it, and the 22 decide to take-up a class-action suit against the police, then the powers-that-be have no choice but the take it seriously. Malaysia is definitely improving, maybe not in the business corruption or money politics side of things, but violation of human rights can no longer be tolerated. If Anwar (and I’m not a fan of him) did one good thing, it was to place the Royal Malaysian Police squarely in the sights of not just the local public, but the world. The Royal Commission was formed, people were charged and Rahim Noor was forced to resign. Today, the ACA arrested the son of an IGP. Ministers are being questioned in Cabinet, even charged with money politics. Don’t be so quick to write this country off, things are improving. But we have to unite and make things happen.

Imagine if a blog was started that encouraged every single Malaysian who wanted things to change to invest overseas. Buy Singaporean property, Australian bank deposits, American stocks or bonds. Imagine the outflow of money and how this will be eventually tracked by Bank Negara and if it could somehow be linked back to this imaginary blog that explains the exodus as a response to violations of basic human rights. Yes it’s a fantastical idea but it’s something that I concocted as a figment of my imagination this late Friday afternoon.

I know I’ve rambled on but my conclusion to abettermalaysian… unity with the other 21 poor people who suffered this with you is your greatest strength. Meet up, plan, compare stories, hire a couple of high profile lawyers, build a case, get some rich dude to fund the case, get sworn affidavits, and when the time is right, file the case. There will most likely be an investigation done, especially in the light of Pak Lah’s push for a better RMP and doubly so as the Royal Commission on the Police was done to STOP this kind of abuse. Furthermore, you guys sound like you’re all middle to upper-middle class folk, don’t you know someone who knows someone? Come on, this is KL, everyone knows someone powerful, someone who has the ear of a minister, or senior Barisan member, or a rich business individual, or someone in the media… you just need this story and this case to get into the right hands.

There is a trail, and there must be accountability. Once you file a charge in a court, the media MUST pick it up, even if it’s a small mention but that’ll be enough to start an avalanche of public letters, other blogs will be able to talk about it freely (after all, it’s public knowledge then right?). Do you see where I’m going with this? I do agree with one of the commenters, do NOT do NOTHING.

A quote by Edmund Burke…
‘all that is necessary for evil to succeed is when good men do nothing’

mr. cheeseburger
livinggod@gmail.com

2:09 AM  
Anonymous WomenOfGod said...

Oh yeah abettermalaysia,

Since you have been to the media..
Lets just pray that they will help you and do something about it.

At least hopefully justise shall prevail.

And to the Singaporean "anonymous"
although our Malaysia goverment sux or taking bribe or not paying our police force enough that doesn't give you the right to voice out anything about our country!
If ya not here to advise or help.Beat it!
Keep your comments to yourself to urself!

2:11 AM  
Blogger abettermalaysia said...

Thank you for your comments and urges to do something concrete other that this blog. Well, I was very very suprised that all these years since independence, nobody has ever walked forward and told such a story before.

Makes me wonder, has this been the first time something like this has happened? I don't really know. All I can do is guess.

People have been rushing me to do things, quickly sue them, approach this, approach that. NOW! YOU WHINER! PROVE YOURSELF!

But realistically it is a long process. And nobody has brought this up for tha last 40+ years. Why should I hurry? I have time. In fact a lot of time.

It might turn out to be a waiting game, maybe cat and mouse, but probably chess, where the moves are long thought out and carefully weighed. And while the wheels are slowly turning, I'll be blogging here.

I have the patience. Would be interesting to see if everybody else does.

And in the process, I'll get to learn how strong I really am. Or how weak for that matter.

David vs Goliath? I'm much shorter than David, and Goliath has put on weight.

2:13 AM  
Blogger Eddie G. said...

Innocent until proven guilty! It truly is unfortunate that the ones responsible for enforcing justice have so easily forgotten this elementary, yet pertinent concept. For shame.

I feel your pain. I noticed a lot of the comments have been targeted at you for your so-called "lack of patriotism". How obtuse! As far as I can see, it was patriotism that made you speak out against this injustice that is damaging our country.

2:26 AM  
Blogger Eddie G. said...

I've more or less read through the rest of the comments. Forgive me for saying this, but I really can't control myself...


fcukger is quite a basketcase, isn't he/she? hahahaha

"Oh no, I've said too much.
I haven't said enough." - R.E.M.

2:38 AM  
Blogger Old Fart said...

O.k. Abettermalaysia...you want to rock....so lets rock.

As I have said before everything that is deniable will be denied. I just hope in hell that there is at least one evidence somewhere that says they took you in for suspision of having taken drugs that was based on testing your urine.

Now what happened there was a medical diagnosis having been made and acted upon by someone who quite obviously was not medically qualified to carry out and to execute a legal process without having been registered with the MMA. I do believe somewhere there there is an offence committed. If indeed you had drugs inside you and a medical diagnosis had been undertaken to show a medical condition, I would bet you that somewhere there would be something that will enable your medical condition to overide the police's prerogatives. They surely would have failed there too. Unless of course they had a doctor with them, I do not believe anyone in that raiding party would have been qualified enough to medically diagnose anything, prescribe anything and act on it in any legal manner. Question them about the method employed, the tablets or what ever it was that they used and so on. They screwed your lives using quacks and the least you can do is to ask their credentials for making a medical diagnosis. Mind you if so many of you were taken in based on their quack medical practices and qualified people subsequently found you innocent of the charges...this surely must be the heights of stupidity on the part of the police. I guess that is why we have MMA to register qualified people to practice Medicine and to stop stupid people practicing it.

Maybe some doctor or a lawyer could help in exploring this. Whack those hooligans where it is beyond them. Take them out and whack them using a law that is outside the domain of the home ministry. This could be under health and let us see if the MCA Minister there really got clout or he is just warming his seat.

Don't worry too much about what happened after you were taken in and the corruption and all that stuff. As heart wrenching as it might be, that is not in issue.

Another thing is when they took you to Pudu jail, the question to ask is if Pudu jail is appropriately gazetted to hold detainees like yourselves. If not it would be an illegal holding cell used illegally. Maybe Lim Kit Siang can help you with this.

And one more thing, as to all those "nice" goody good two shoes who just don't make sense of my postings....well, I admit I got one heck of a convoluted mind.....but most of what I said probably is meant for you guys more than abettermalaysia who probably is getting his first baptism of what Malaysia is really all about!

Anyway....I might have started a lead here..it may not be cause I am not a lawyer...maybe this is where some of you guys out there who may know better....can explore further to work out all that can be used to whack these bully boys in blue!

2:40 AM  
Anonymous WomenOfGod said...

Hey..i'm not asking you to rush abettermalaysi,

Take your time and slowly work out the problems..do some research..

It's good that you actually voice out..if u din't no one will ever dare to take the 1st steps like you do :-)

Keep it up dude..if ur david,goliath will lost..

Haha how sure are you that David is tall..anything thats is smaller than goliath definately works haha..

over and out!

2:41 AM  
Anonymous Black Knight said...

I must say, I've lived a moderately sheltered life thus far and reading this blog has been a revelation of sorts to me... I mean, I knew these banes of society proliferate in Malaysia, but it was always on the edge of my awareness, a small point to be brushed aside. Thank you for posting this.

There have been many doubters of this story's veracity. Obviously I can't say if its true nor otherwise, but there's something called benefit of the doubt. It may be false for all we know, but if there's a chance of it being true why judge him? Innocent until proven guilty?

The sad fact is ultimately we can't do much. We can try to strive for a better Malaysia, but the problem is too deeply rooted to be solved quite as easily as a single complaint. All we can do is pray and try best as we can do change our country.

3:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

abettermalaysia

Now, I'm clear of the next step you are taking. As you have said you want to take baby steps. You want to play the cat and mouse games. I regreted for supporting you and now to hear that you treat this as a kind of games! I see you want to see if everyone else follow suite... to patiently play the games with you. Very disappointing.

I sensed that you have recovered completely and now you want popularity. You want people to blogs with you, you want to drag the case so that people will visit your blogs often and play the games with you.

I doubt you have contacted Lim Kit Siang's offers... or any of the entities fcukger offered.

Well, I can tell you if that your intension you have succeeded for the first few days. But not going to last for long. You have waste enough of people's time and effort to offer help.

We are not trying to push you to do things in a rush, however you cannot blogs and publish news like this and drag the case. Now I really doubt if you have any case at all.

Though I don't like the the sound of oldfart comments, in fact I hate this guy, but I speak based on rationale and not my emotion. He is right about you, you are arogant. You ego reveals, too proud and thought that your are the first one to brought this kind of case up? I sensed you think you are a hero. Oldfart is right, go and read Irene Fernandez trial case, and you'll see who is the real hero. Who says nobody voice out this kind of case in the last 40 years! Oldfart is right, you only know how to mourn for you own bruises, Irene Fernandez never said an "ouch" for the pain she had gone through for other people's bruises.

I'm glad someone took the effort to send this blogs to the respective agencies. I hope they find you soon and do not drag the case and waste people's time.

Hey man, the longger you drag, the harder it is to charge them, if they are guilty. The evidence is going to fade away, now I doubt if there is any.

One final word, please do not misuse the blogs space if you don't really have a case on this allegation. Your exploitation of the news spreading power of the blog will make genuine bloggers in the future very hard to voice out.

If you are playing the cat and mouse games, I can tell you now I'm out. Good luck to you man, hope you catch the mouse soon! I'm confused who is the cat and who is the mouse now. Adious!

p/s I take back my words on the last and 3rd last paragraphs of my comments (the 10th anonymous) I said about littlefox. Please accept my apologies. After all, I do not want to make enemies with anyone.

4:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No major newspaper coverage - is this surprising? Who owns the newspapers now? Think. In whose hands does the "freedom of press" lie?

4:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"And nobody has brought this up for tha last 40+ years. Why should I hurry? I have time. In fact a lot of time."

Oh my goodness man, please tell me you're joking. Does that imply that you're the first victim of police brutality?

4:34 AM  
Anonymous anonymous not said...

Hey ABM,

It's me again :o)

I can't help but read your blog again, something I don't normally do. That's as much compliment I'd give you for now :o)

Was just thinking about the lesser comments and how you're holding up with it (quite well I'd say).

Being a movie fan, I thought I could recommend you to a movie call - The Contender.

Have a good watch, especially on the main character - Laine Hanson.

5:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I do not think u get ur case through.

just avoid the night spot.. they are not good for ur health too :D

5:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I must say I am a little (not very) surprised and shocked when I read your tale. I believe you, because I know from reliable sources that these things do happen. But I do agree with some people who say that not all Malaysian policemen are that awful. There are still some good and decent ones.

My own experience convinces me that this is so: I am a typical upper middle class boy too. When I was home for my university summer holidays, I was stopped by the police for suspected drunk driving in KL. They were about to get all of us out of the car, etc. But I politely and respectfully (and in a very friendly manner) told the policemen (in very fluent Bahasa Malaysia) that how can he suspect that we were drunk driving - us, a group of goody-goody law students, all government scholars abroad, all with neat short hair and wearing glasses! They laughed, joked with me for a bit, and then just let us off. I think sometimes people act to freaked out or even insulting when they deal with policemen. A little politeness, respect and fluent Bahasa Malaysia really can do wonders sometimes.

And for the record, all the policemen were Malays and I am Chinese. That was not an issue at all.

9:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gosh.

my initial reaction to this page was.. " what can we do? "

this rush of helplessness against those who abuse others. If i were in your shoes, i wouldnt know. Fight back just to get slammed down again? FIght on and get hurt sommore? Can i actually stop/ do anything? worse, what if i was wrong in the first place [by taking drugs lets say] and then had them do this to me?

i guess thats just why people adobt the 'bo-chap' attitude and just decide to carry on with their own lives, closing eyes to others. deciding to 'let it go'. and not care. It easier, really. But then, why it is so difficult in the first place is because others dont care. And now ironically, he becomes the same as those who put him there; the ones who didnt give a damn. And now is it his turn to show his back to the next person who begs support?

then later more questions: " why hasnt anything been done?" -- did it get worse from before?

someone metioned in an ealier post:

' Malaysia is still young and she needs to grow'

i hope she will. i really do.

thanks to ppl here, all of you actually. And you know what, whether this whole thing is true or not:

this blog has made me think.

as dumb and naive as it sounds, it has. And that, makes a difference.

- Su

9:46 AM  
Blogger Old Fart said...

Annoymous 4.03

I love you man...as much as you hate me. For one minute there I thought that was the end of me...and then you go on a litany of seconding a lot of what I said as being right. But one thing I did not say is abettermalaysia being arrogant. Maybe I might have suggested naieve....and that I would do. But arrogant...nah...probably a bit misplaced.

I have to agree though that suddenly our friend here is trying to play hero....turn the whole thing into a cause or something with him being the focal. In that he is bloody well too late....there are so many others playing that act already. Shows you how blind abettermalaysia has been all this while about whats been happening around him.

Maybe i have come on strong and arrogant, but that is from registering in my head all that goes on that is not right in this country. For instance a lot of the posters supporting abettermalaysia and showing sympathy for him make it sound like as if they are surprised that this should happen.

I ask, why not? Should it only happen to the Francis Udayapans and Arumugams and the Anwar Ibrahims, when we all turn a blind eye. And then it happens to someone with a Damansara Heights address and then all hell breaks loose. This someone is also squeaky clean got a maid ironing his shirts and all that and it happens to him. This is a big no no. What happened to all these protestations when Francis Udayapan happened? What happened to all these protestations when Anwar Ibrahim happened? What happened to all these protestations when it happened to Arumugam and the Indonesian or Bangladeshi or the Myanmar or Indian labourer. And if you think it should not have happened, at least not until you are proven guilty, well, all these happened to all those I have named above well long before they were even charged.

Abettermalaysia, you are not the first....don't goad yourself about that. A lot of others before you had more important things to take care off and have moved on. They have been silenced and they shall never know justice. You, my friend have the luxury of deciding how you want to end this. The others did not. Some, like Francis, did not even have the opportunity to choose.

You have the opportunity to do it. You also have the luxury to do it. I will support you in that. I will also urge you to do it and to go after those who did this to you. Not so much that it will give you justice. But maybe it will through you bring justice to the Francis', Arumugams and Anwar Ibrahims. So it doesn't matter really to me that you are a rich kid doing a rich kid thing. So long as the justice sought can bring some amount of solace to the others as well.

3:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think it is better to strike when the iron is hot. If you're serious about doing something about this, act now, don't wait. This isn't some sorta tactics cat and mouse game. Blogging does nothing. Best of luck.

6:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

fcukger said...

When it happened to others, you gave no shit



Just like you.

8:47 AM  

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