Monday, October 17, 2005

Our story has just come out on Malaysiakini today (17/10/05). I have contacted both Lim Kit Siang and SUARAM and will be meeting them soon. But for reasons I do not believe many would understand, I may be shutting down this blog on Wednesday. Though I would like to see justice and to continue telling my story, my family cannot suffer because of me. I won't let that happen.

I don't know how much use I would be to Lim Kit Siang and SUARAM if I were to remain anonymous, but that is all I can give.

I'm sorry.

Thank you all for being so supportive.

40 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi there,

I am a government lawyer (in the advisory and civil side, not involved in the police and prosecution). Even though I am very young and fresh in the civil service, I know that the things you described do happen, and as a lawyer I think it is appalling.

You should have a little more confidence in our judiciary and legal system, as much as most people think otherwise. I hate to say this, but honestly: since your case does not actually involve much high-end politics (just some low-ranking policemen), I think you have a pretty good chance of nailing them. Some of the judges are as annoyed as anyone about such blatant abuses of power by the police.

Good luck.

11:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lim Kit Siang is as brave as they come. You will have a real fighter in your corner, should you choose to take this further.

You are a brave person, ABM. I salute you, and I sincerely wish you the best of luck.

1:09 PM  
Blogger Old Fart said...

Took you a little too long...but I am glad you have contacted both Suaram and LKS. It is best you closed the blog sooner than later. One of us might compromise your case without even meaning to.

Best of Luck.

2:30 PM  
Blogger Old Fart said...

When you say, "my family cannot suffer because of me", you are not alone. Why else do many of us operate here on the net anonymously? When you wrote that, obviously you feared and it is as good as having written it under threat and having been held under ransom.

This is one question which only the Prime Minister can answer, why is an innocent citizen required to feel threatened? Who is he frightened of? Should he? Should anyone? If an injustice has been meted out to this bloke and to many others why should the fear of recriminations by the government or the police be the only reason for citizens not seeking justice for a wrong that is done?

The BN government has already set precedents. See what they have done to Irene Fernandez. See what they are prepared to do in the Francis Udayapan's case just trying very hard to make sure they are not found to be guilty of his killing.....See how long they were willing to drag out a lie in Anwar Ibrahim's case where Mahathir's convoluted version of Anwar's Black eye was allowed to stand for many months? Incapable of lying? That is not something the police can claim of themselves.

3:05 PM  
Blogger n.emator said...

old_fart:

Thanks for being encouraging - and not being a complete prick like you did at first. Re-read your first posts and see how unnecessary mean they were, filled with childish name-calling.

But now you are more rational and objective, whether or not this ABM is for real.

We all want the same thing: A Better Malaysia.

All the best, ABM.

5:47 PM  
Blogger Old Fart said...

e.mator

If you cannot understand the thrust of my first and subsequent posts I would urge you not to comment on or judge another.

Whether ABM is real or not, there is a character that has been created here. That character represents a lot of young Malaysians for whom only what happens to them matters. What has happened here is not more than what has been happening and will go on happening in this country.

I am hoping that maybe, through ABM's efforts all the others too can see some amount of justice that was denied them. Mind you until so many of them started chiding him to go up to LKS and Suaram he did not....so you see, in ABM's instance other factors than mere justice alone came to play.

Maybe you, e.mator, need a little growing up efore you make sense of my first post. So I'll leave you to do that at your own time.

6:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

if i were in ABM's shoes, i will feel the same: fear and frighten. I had lost faith in our judiciary and legal system. Will I be under threat and having been held under ransom?

7:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Come on man,

You are not fighting top dogs in the police or the govt. Noone's going to charge into your house and bust anything! Where is the credibility if the accuser remains annonymous. This is ridiculous man.

You have been brave so far and you have to fight till the end. Go to The Star man. Fine with Malaysiakini. But goto the main stream. Noone can do anything. These corrupt cops at the bottom level will face the music. It's guarenteed. Our system will ensure that justice is served, if only to please to public eye.

So please please do not quit on thousands of others out here. I will support you. Mail me at sudheesh_s@yahoo.com. That's my real email address. I am not afraid of standing up with you.

I have some contacts with ppl with the media. Mail me. Mail jeff ooi. Do something man. Dont quit on us.

Cheers,
Sudheesh

7:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hello,

come across your blog while blog-hopping. your experience sounds familiar to me. It also happened to me in penang, but i was not detained. was out clubbing one night with few other girlfriends and as we entered the club, several police officers announced that there was a raid. I was the unlucky one as i already entered the club. my 2 other girlfriends stood at the door and they managed to escape the nightmare. the police randomly picked the 'suspect' and me and my friends was asked to go to a nearby police station for a drug test. we were transported in a police van (thank god it was not the blue lorry). we were asked to give urine sample and we have to do it in the presence of a woman police officer (to ensure that we do not add tap water to the sample). my friend almost broke down and cried cause she was wearing pants and she had never faced such humiliation before. i had to calm her down and asked her to get it done and over with. we were released after a few hours when our urine test came out -ve. most of the detainess were released after a few hours except for those who tested +ve for drugs. Thank god i didn't go through the experienced u went through. But what made me felt sick to my stomach was that i saw some police officers flirting with a few indonesian girls they picked-up from another raid (i guess). if i'm not mistaken, one of the girls was tested +ve, but she gave the police officer her number and she was free to go. my friend said that they are going to 'use' her. I am not sure how far it is true.

But i guess 'government lawyer' is right. u should have a little faith in out judicial system and in our country. there are a lot of people in the government who are annoyed with all these misuse of power not just by the police force, but also by other government service. like 'government lawyer' i'm also part of the system. I was so tired with what's happening to our country that i decided to join the civil service hoping to help make a difference. slowly but surely.

Good luck to you.

7:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Drug Bust Jails 22 Innocents" on Malaysia Kini:

http://www.malaysiakini.com/opinionsfeatures/41813

7:26 PM  
Anonymous Apollo market said...

ABM,
Before you bow out, let's have a signature campaign/petition over here. Those who support you, just give a name, email addy contact, where from and age.
Can you do that for us?

7:31 PM  
Blogger desiderata said...

ABM:

I posted a second time at Desi's Place today on your case, see "colours of my mind", with 1+two main points:

(1)some commenters like oldfart and one fcuker have flamed you initially, and as someone noted before me here, oldfart has softend his writings. But Desi has gone the opposite direction, I started soft but I'm going hard.
(2) You went public with a blog for ABETTERMALASIA,
That's one baby step forward.
(2) After passing the bucks from Starbucks to Lim Kit Siang and Others like Suaram, and even concerned Bloggers inclduing Desi, you announced for your family's interest comes before nation's interest. (YOUR interest comes first, OUR interests come second, or third, or ..., that's the message when you say are closing down this blog!
I withdraw my salute.
You are taking two bloody adult steps backwards.
If I don't see you here on Thursday, I don't want to see ythe likes of you, ever, again, and that's a promise I meAn (I'm meAn, yes, I'm) to keep.

7:55 PM  
Blogger xman said...

just want to say good luck and hope you manage to shed a lot of light on what's happening behind the closed doors of our police stations

8:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ABM,

You don't need to be afraid for the sake of your family. Malaysia may be corrupted, but other countries are worse off. If you're a rape victim in pakistan, you have worse thing to worry other than cops. If you're in communist countries like China or worse, North Korea, taking refuge under UN is your only option (maybe). Please do not be paranoid and exaggerate things. Pursue this aggressively. If anything even happens to your family, thousands of bloggers here will support you. You will only make things worse if you chicken out.

You've made your baby steps. There is no turning back now. There is the only way forward.

8:49 PM  
Blogger alex2009™ said...

Stand in what you believe in.
MALAYSIA will be a better place.
For now, LKS is the best person to highlight the case to as he fights for MALAYSIA and he knows how's it like to be in the worst of situations.

We are behind you. We support you for we the RAKYAT want a better MALAYSIA.

9:06 PM  
Blogger fcukger said...

hey fake, i knew you were a fake from your first post when you said you want to fight for a better malaysia..that's why i told you to stop the blog and think of your family...you do not have what it takes to fight for a noble cause. You are as soft as soft can be. That is why I had said to you to stop this blog and think of your family.

You have finally decided to do this but it could be too late. You are already in deep shit....because you have NO credible evidence, that's why your lawyers advised you to forget it. Without evidence to back you up in a court of law, you are done for. This is not just libel, but criminal libel....it is a crime.

You simply cannot go around injuring others' reputation and then say you do not have credible evidence to back up your case.

Kit can make noise for you but he cannot save you.He tried to fight injustices but couldn't save himself and he couldn't save his son from goin to jail either.

Nevertheless Kit has my admiration and so too guan Eng and Irene and many others because they were REAL people and REAL fighters serious in their convictions. You don't hear them sayin oh..this is goin to hurt my family, therefore i better watch what i am doin.. In that case, like i said before , just shut up and go on with your life.

It's ironical that those who seem to support you are actually harming you, while those who seem to want to stop you are actually pullin you out of harm's way. What good is it if some people say they support you and encourage you , they are not the ones who have to face the music, they do not have to stand in the dock....you do.

You will understand this when they come and get you. You will understand this when you can't back up what you said and provide no evidence that can stand up in a court of law. You will understand that you have to think with your brains and not with your heart.And you will understand that this old fcuker had been right all the time.

So long, Fake. Go back to mummy and daddy and be a good boy, and stop takin those pills when you go clubin.You will get illusions you are some kind of hero.And like some idiot said, OLd Fart is my other name.....bwahahahahahaa and OUT

10:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

dear fcukger... shut the f**k up... either that or u need to get laid.

10:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

unfortunately, the system that governs is not like malaysian idol where you can sms-vote whos in or out, its a little complex.

A Better Malaysia, I have to say that despite withrawing & remaining anym. you did the right thing by exposing to us what has happened.

All I can say is leave this blog alone, let it grow with more exposure. Perhaps some day, this may be used as a reference to a proper judgement.

As I post earlier, I had my fair share & my family comes first no matter what others say. Whats the use tormeting your loved ones again when the fault is not in that few policemen but the system itself!

Then again, a better advise is not to hang out in clubs too late at night.

Anyway, best of luck.

--
To the relevent govt officials that might read this, this is for you:

The problem with this country is that form over substance has taken over everything. Nothing real can be done, Do you see a 24 hour Sports complex? Shoping centre? library? NO, NO & NO, so what do you want the young adults to do?

Sports is the best example to get things away from bad influence, unfortunately rakan muda is a joke.

Also many young adults go to clubs/pubs to build repo & make friends with business men alike, not to have fun, its about building ones trust to the other. They are not supported well in business, so whom can they fall back on. Try getting a loan here & compare it with in Australia. sad.

People cant explain why pool centers & cyber cafes do well at night, its because sports centres are not open at that time. A Good example are the Indoor soccer schedule, you will see that its mostly full. Does that ring s bell?

Give the young adults something constructive to do & they will do it. Not every one have their families here & sleep early at night.

TJ

11:53 PM  
Blogger abettermalaysia said...

Yikes 'fcukger', you sound like a troubled child.

Have you taken your medication lately?

Guess they must have installed computers in the psychiatric ward. Or pediatric.

12:17 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

stop being so childish, fcukger
u arent any better!

12:32 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ABM

Dr F.B. Meyer has said,

We make a mistake in trying always to clear ourselves. We should be wiser to go straight on, humbly doing the next thing, and leaving God to vindicate us. "He shall bring forth thy righteousness as the light, and thy judgment as the noon day." There may come hours in our lives when we shall be misunderstood, slandered, falsely accused. At such times it is very difficult not to act on the policy of the men around us in the world. They at once appeal to law and force and public opinion. But the believer takes his case into a higher court and lays it before His God.

Mindy
mindylo.lo@gmail.com

12:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

fcukger,

u seem disturbed, bitter and kinda mental... i pity u, did something happened to u and no one was there to help u??!! is that why you're taking it out on ABM?? poor boy, hope your mommy's there for you now...

i agree with the rest, you should shut up now, time for you to run back to ur comfort zone and rethink everything you've said. i'll pray for you and hope u get well soon.

1:33 AM  
Blogger Old Fart said...

Hey Fcukger

I can see where you are coming from and some of what you may say may be points relevant to ABM. But don't for your namesake, associate me with you o.k. We are not one and the same....that link was made by some idiot who does not understand the English language unfortunately.

1:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

abettermalaysia,

You've made brave steps by contacting LKS and Suaram. You and Jack can asked LKS to help you find and persuade the 20 other detainees to step forward.

Anyway, hope you'll have God's blessings for your safety while you decide to persue further.

2:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the malaysiakini site

please forward to your friends
http://www.malaysiakini.com/opinionsfeatures/41813

2:47 AM  
Anonymous WFH said...

ABM,
Pls visit Mackzul's http://www.brandmalaysia.com/ immediately, repeat IMMEDIATELY..!!
I hope you'll read really deep what he has written. Digest in your mind, and since you have written about your family considerations, go speak with your family members. MAckZul has invited contact, and with various built-in safeguards too about your identity, you may prefer his route to LKS/Suaram.

If you give up now, you exponentially embolden your aggressors to further inflict harm to your peers, other young Malaysians, on other segmnents of Msian society, on everybody and yes especially the less well-off, the less articulate, the less fortunate.. etc..etc.

Like it or not, you can't just walk/run away. Not now. You run, but it'll come back right at your heels.
When that happens, everybody will know YOU RAN, and to regain their support after running away is mpossible. THEN, YOU'LL REALISE - THEN, YOU'LL REALLY BE ON YOUR OWN. Stay the course you've set. Fear not anyone, but God.

4:37 AM  
Blogger sweetspirit said...

I have been reading ya blog n keeping silent until now

Do what is you feel is right for yourself n ya family .

I myself would always put my familys well being first an not let them endure things i have control over..

All the best n i am sure you know ya making the right decision.



cheerz tcz

4:42 AM  
Anonymous Booty said...

actually farker got his points minus the insulting part. Is your family and u prepare for this long journey that might end up nothing but more trouble, time wasted, ur career ruined, harassment and so on.
LKS can voice for u for free, because he can use you as a tool for his political interest.but judging from his performace and responses he received in cabinet meeting, u can probably tell how much u can expect from him.
if u decided to take that route,dont afraid of the consequences that follow.worth it or not, its upto u to decide.i believe the few hundreds or thousands ppl who visited this blog will remember you as a brave man.

4:57 AM  
Anonymous Jack said...

Hi, this is Jack.

I can't beleive so much has been said about our ordeal within the three days that I was away making my insignificant yet gratifying contribution to the construction of the new link between the Nothern regions of Simpang Pulai (The East) to Kuala Berang (West).

For the past 3 days, I travelled from KL through the East West Highway to Kuantan, then up north to Ajil, past Jerteh to Machang, down to Gua Musang, then Raub and finally back today. The link under construction between Aring and Ajil is fantastic. When completed, you can easily cut accross from Aring (1hr from Gua Musang) to Kuala Berang in less than 2 hrs, a journey that would have instead take away 4 hrs of travel time.

If there's no trust in the author of this blog, whom I respectfully know in person and perhaps regard as a rare best friend who has shared with me the worst experience most people here would have not had the privilege of having, you can at least trust me if I tell you that Malaysia is shrinking in size, all thanks to the roads and infrastructure being built throughout our days of independence. Traveling up and down the Peninsular isn’t too much of a hard work these days, and I wouldn’t be surprised if you’d see an arrowed signboard reading ‘Johor Bahru’ in the middle of Terengganu in the very near future.

My line of work involves working hand in hand with government departments with the likes of JKR, JPS, district authorities, along with engineers, contractors, developers and the many great parties who are involved in the physical construction of our nation.

Throughout these years, I’ve naturally grown an appreciation for being a microscopic part of building my Malaysia, even rejecting opportunities to work in Australia for the very reason that I know I need to be a part of the contributing hands behind my growing country, a birthplace where my grandfather once weathered war, unrest, and invasion just so I could be cradled in safe hands.

On that fateful day behind the locked bars of Pudu Jail, I asked ABM ‘what did the big guy up there wanted both of us to see?’. I don’t really remember what ABM said to me (I also don’t want to be scrutinized for having too good a memory), but seeing we did. We saw what we weren’t able to see flipping through the pages of Newsweek over a cup of coffee on any given Sunday morning. We saw what we weren’t able to see on TV sitting on our comfy couches any given weekday. And indeed, speaking for myself, I saw for the first time, the corruption that we always mutter about come knocking on my very own front door.

I’m not a very good writer, never a political columnist, and even more so not a linguistic analyst who’s able to tell a lie by simply looking at the grammatical errors one would make in a full sentence. I was however, once a skeptic, a huge one for that matter who had the decency of making fun of any type of news that gets passed on in chain mails that I thought was ‘theoretically’ and ‘logically’ impossible through my very analytical mind. For this very reason, I seriously do not blame those who have doubts in our case. Neither am I asking for any of you to agree or sympathise with us.

The fact of the matter is this: without ABM, I would have been one of the 22 who would have slipped right back into my life without even trying to do or say something about the problem. I personally confirm, attest, and am able to recount exactly what ABM has ‘vented’ in his blog.

In a nutshell, we went in, and out of Pudu Jail, and ABM simply told the detailed truth. Taking it would be good information for all to be aware about; leaving it is a conscience choice we make to deny any future generation a better Malaysia. I have moved on, continuing to work my very insignificant part for Malaysia knowing far better than most people that there’s still a lot more work that needs to be done.

As for my identity, well, you can have your say.

5:38 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Firstly, I'm really sorry to hear that you had to go through such an experience. It's understandable that you feel all that you feel, and you certainly have a right to.

Secondly, I applaud you for your courage and persistence. You're the type of young people we need to make improvements for Malaysia ~ strong people who know what is their rights and is not afraid to stand up for it.

In terms of sueing the police, it's not impossible and it doesn't necessarily mean monetary compensation. You could sue to get a public apology (which is very rare in Malaysia, I think), or have those involved stripped of their title and job, better still, to band them from any law-enforcing occupations.

At this point, make it as high profile as possible. Better yet, gear up all your persuasion skills and persuade all those involved to voice their experiences out, even if it means annonymously. The more people know about it, the less likely and least possible for those involved to cover it up. Have them write or talk about their feelings.. those emotional scars, etc. These bits almost always gets people's attention.

Worse comes to worse, they might offer some monetary compensation to cover-up or silent all of you. I mean, it hasn't happened before. If that's the case, it depends how you and others feel about it, I suppose but realistically, I wouldn't be surprised there'll be people who'll take up the offer just to get it over and done with. And then, things are forgotten and several months down the track, a similar incident will happen again.

For things to change, someone sitting up on those high ranking chairs has to see things do need to change. Unfortunately, chances are, they don't even know what's going on. The small mice are running their own show because of low pay, greed, and whatnots.

I remember someone saying that the Malaysian police officers are generally like certified bullies with guns. If you've ever encountered a bully in school, that's how you should deal with them. i.e. stand up to them (works better as a group, of course). Never give in to something which you know is wrong. The more people fear the 'bullies', the more they'll bully. Bullies are greedy fellows!

With that, best of luck!


ps: Ehh... sorry if this seems too long-winded.

6:22 AM  
Blogger sarah said...

Before you close, I would just like to tell you that your blog has given me so much courage and hope despite the dreadfulness of it all. I major in Journalism and reading about such injustice has only further fueled my passion for doing however, and whatever I can in my little ways to make people more aware of such things.

Good luck.

7:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Those who have experienced how the police operates will know how pausible the story is.

If you are willing to grease the palms of the Policeman the whole experience would be different. This goes with the immigration department, local councils, customs and excise office, Inland Revenue and not to mention the hospitals. Yes, I have first hand and intimate experience with all these corrupt and sickening incidences. I hate to tell you what happened when I stood my ground and be righteous.

Life must go on, if you cant beat the system, join them is my motto. The only thing left is your democratic right to vote in the next GM if you are lucky not being denied or cheated out of it!.

Malaysia has lost its soul and those who are rich already have their second home overseas including their pension fund in foreign accounts. Their children are educated abroad but will always say the political correct things in public.

The clubs likely to be raided are those likely to be out of favours or failing to meet the demand from the Police. Have a read at http://www.malaysia-today.net/complaints/2005/02/general-issues-related-to-east-coast.htm

If you think your family must come first many of us will understand.

Thank you for your story. Sadly, there are many untold stories and the culprits are still at large...

9:32 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ABM

What happened to the AP issues that LKS brought up in the cabinet reminds me one thing that you ought to consider.

Do you know why all matters brought up by the opposition does not go through? It's because the UMNO MPs (majority) are binded to a constitution:

"Disregarding the issue is a fact or not, with proofs or without proofs, we must not support any issues brought up by the opposition" - UMNO perlembagaan.

Two UMNO MPs that supported LKS on the AP issues has been refered disciplinary action by UMNO. I think your case no one will now dare to support LKS.

I'm not being negative but its just how issues are push through in the cabinet.

Take one of MackZul suggestions to go and talk to Pak Lah. If he does not want to listen, I think malaysia has no more cure. Just like Mahathir has said recently, if corruption has been a culture, there is turning back.

10:19 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Correction for above:

...Just like Mahathir has said recently, if corruption has been a culture, there is no turning back.

10:22 AM  
Anonymous zorro said...

In my first posting I suggested the 22 of you march up to the PM. Dont do that now, now that you prefer to cry on Suaram's and LKS shoulders. You remind me of the pied piper, with all the "rat" following you and crying for you over your tune. Be a man, do what is right. Go the the media. All the supporters cannot help you....they can only weep with you and mollycoddle you poor thing. I withdraw my initial support unless you be Man enough to go public. This is a blog, everyone has an opinion, but can we not get into infantile tantrums and come out with unsavory language? When we use foul language you exhibit what it is you are or capable of...not much.

10:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

do something for justice or we're gonna end up like indonesia...

2:03 AM  
Blogger n.emator said...

old_fart: you have to be kidding me. And fortuitious that I used the words "kidding", for your silly remark here to me, is at once infantile and hostile.

Exactly like your first posts that I referred to.

I gave kudos for your recent amiable comments (a mistake, apparently), which was a complete 180-degree about face. Some might characterize this as being a flip-flopper.

But no, you have to go back to cheap idiocies like accusing me of being "not mature enough" to understand your first posts.

What complete and utter horse droppings. And detracting from ABM's issue at hand.

I stand by the fact that one should make their points without being malicious and CRASS.

Here are some samples of your "intellectual" postings that I am not matured enough to understand:

"you want to fuck around, don't fuck around with the Malaysian Police okay"

"What you have mentioned is malicious and false and you have made an allegation that has no merit at all."

"just join UMNO la then you can rape the country for all you care and no one will be any the wiser."

"anyway that is what happens when you let your arse do the thinking for you"

2:49 AM  
Anonymous Tina said...

Dear Jack,

It's good to see u leaving a comment here letting of know that this blog is at least still being taek care of by the person who involved in the drug bust.

I wondered, aft such a long while this blog has been abandoned by ABM, what had happened? I mean what happened aft meeting up with LIm & Suaram? How r both of u? Mind telling me is this blog still gonna be updated in the future or not?

I feel fool popping up at d site checking for updates by ABM time to time. I care for what happened & I'm shocked! I would like to be inform if this blod is not gonna get upodated anymore, or whatever. I think we deserved to know!

Thanks heaps!

6:09 AM  
Anonymous Dear Jack said...

Dear Jack,

It's good to see u leaving a comment here letting of know that this blog is at least still being taek care of by the person who involved in the drug bust.

I wondered, aft such a long while this blog has been abandoned by ABM, what had happened? I mean what happened aft meeting up with LIm & Suaram? How r both of u? Mind telling me is this blog still gonna be updated in the future or not?

I feel fool popping up at d site checking for updates by ABM time to time. I care for what happened & I'm shocked! I would like to be inform if this blod is not gonna get upodated anymore, or whatever. I think we deserved to know!

Thanks heaps!

6:09 AM

4:55 AM  
Anonymous the Other Ted said...

have a little more faith in our judiciary system dewd.

forget not theres a lot of supporters out there!

1:09 AM  

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