Friday, October 14, 2005

The Peoples Rights

A blogger gave a really good idea, to start up a post stating what are our rights as Malaysians in such instances. Having the rights of the police here would be just as relevent.

I'm all for the police conducting raids. Even better if there were more of them to rid our society from drugs. But it could have been done in a better way. People need to know.

As a note to all bloggers, flaming will be deleted and cursing blogs would fly out the window just as quick. Only factual entries from people in the know will be entertained

Hopefully we will all get an informative thread out of this.

31 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think ppl should take the effort to learn and don't expect to be spoon fed. Being street wise and law wise. I believe many of us, although never been thru the exact situation, but was smart enough to avoid/escape it. If you don't take initiative to sharpen your own knife, don't complain when you get bullied. It survival of the fittest out there. Crying unfair when you know the game is not fair is just plain silly.

3:13 AM  
Anonymous LAWmei said...

I was a night front desk clerk in a 5 star hotel and it was during my shift when a cashier's envelope containing cash and travellers' cheque went missing. I witnessed the drop in the night safe. A few days later, 4 policemen in plainclothes came up to the front desk at about 11.10pm, asked for me and arrested me. They took me to Cheras police station and kept me there until the CPO turned up. He told me I should admit the theft otherwise he will lock me up, sent me to Pulau Jerejak and won't see my loved ones for 2 years. I told him he got the wrong person. Immediately, he raised his right hand wielding his baton and said "Don't say I am wrong". And then he instructed his detectives to take turns to interrogate me. That was 11.30pm. I was kept awake by 6 such officers who kept saying I should admit my "crime". If I did they will let me go immediately. Tempting though the offer maybe, I did not take it up. At one point some other officers shouted at the interrogating officer to take off my jacket and "hantam sama dia"! Thankfully I was not harmed. But the fear instilled in me in a strange environment was enough to scare you to bits. They did not offer me any drink, food or cigarrette.
Come morning at 7.00am, someone from the hotel had informed my father I was arrested. He turned up at the police station and was told I was not there but taken to Jalan Duta courts. He was given the run around so that I could languish in the police lock up longer.
Finally at 11.00am my father and elder brother managed to see the CPO. I was taken to his office and in front of my family the CPO told my dad "Encik, you can take your son home now".
The very same man who brandished his baton proclaiming he was not wrong and that he will lock me up if I did not admit the theft now says I was free to go.
That sir was in 1979. It looked like our police culture has never changed. They use brutal force of their power to intimidate in order to solve a crime. They rely nothing on their detection skills. In fact going by your account, it has gone from bad to worse. They have become bolder with their powers. I think you have suffered more than what I went through. You should go to SUHAKAM and bring forth your complaint. The people responsible should be punished and more importantly not allowed to do it to some other innocent person in the future.

3:49 AM  
Blogger 黄德峻 said...

our government just ain't doing enough to change it.. or perhaps they don't want to change?

4:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think u lack the understanding of how m'sia works.

Even at the gates of our parliment, if u drive up to it by mistake, u will be flagged down with a saman. but there is always alternative discounted rate... RM50.. he he he

5:35 AM  
Blogger Ivan said...

In foreign countries, there are videos detailling methods of handling police encounters LEGALLY. Here, we don't know what our rights are, to what limits can the police detain us and if there is a need for warrants.

It is only because of lack of information, that we are allowing ourselves to be manipulated.

Anyways jeez man, you story is weirdass.

Just because of one encounter with corruption, you've lost your will and watever taste for food, etc etc. Creative writing aside. Please learn to adapt.

Inciting nationilistic pride now that it has HAPPENED to you is mighty cheap. You're Malaysia. Its been happening for AGES. Like traffic "duit-kopi". You've

a) turned a blind eye to reality.
b) led a very sheltered life.

Be thankful you weren't anally violated or beaten up in lockup. In case you didn't know, that happens too.

But good luck in your crusade against the wrongdoings against you. May you find peace once again.

6:09 AM  
Anonymous Apollo market said...

All the the police bad deeds now accumulated by the IGP. His son is in the cell. So the Great teacher was right ever since he was enlightened.
Bad deeds will pay.

6:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

fuck

7:32 AM  
Anonymous a girl said...

hmm..were there any female in the 22innocents??

7:56 AM  
Blogger DeViant said...

I think we all need to be a little less cynical and a little more optimistic about the malaysian police, since the advent of cyberspace, everything has become more and more transparent and even the police are starting to crack down on corrupt individuals, a friend of mine who is the son of a top police officer in Malaysia was just arrested for shady dealings, I would like to think that Malaysia is making a step towards a better and more globalized country.. CHEERS!!~!

p.s: (keep me updated with more posts, i'm out of country so i'm relying on you for updates!! )

8:32 AM  
Blogger petite papillon said...

It's horrible reading this. I've always known the police were corrupt just to what extent i had no clue. Being in Melbourne, i've learnt a lot about their judical system, their legal systems, the media, their government etc.. And when i compare it to Malaysia.. i don't know what to say. I love Malaysia as a country but everything about it is just wrong. Its corrupt, government controlled and there's hardly any democracy. Sigh.. such a shame.. I'll definitely be adding this link on my blog! Goodness.. i can't get over how horrible the situation is.

8:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I must say I am a little (not very) surprised and shocked when I read your tale. I believe you, because I know from reliable sources that these things do happen. But I do agree with some people who say that not all Malaysian policemen are that awful. There are still some good and decent ones.

My own experience convinces me that this is so: I am from a typical upper middle class boy too. When I was home for my university summer holidays, I was stopped by the police for suspected drunk driving in KL. They were about to get all of us out of the car, etc. But I politely and respectfully (and in a very friendly manner) told the policemen (in very fluent Bahasa Malaysia) that how can he suspect that we were drunk driving - us, a group of goody-goody law students, all government scholars abroad, all with neat short hair and wearing glasses! They laughed, joked with me for a bit, and then just let us off. I think sometimes people act to freaked out or even insulting when they deal with policemen. A little politeness, respect and fluent Bahasa Malaysia really can do wonders sometimes.

And for the record, all the policemen were Malays and I am Chinese. That was not an issue at all.

8:56 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

After reading comments made by various netizens on this blog,its apparent on how many people actually want to solve the problem at hand.I do understand why some people are annoyed with bettermalaysia for harping on what he feels and what he isn't sure of doing.

In my opinion,there is a way to solve this problem which has a win-win solution.I do however, love the way people urged bettermalaysia to stop being so sissified and step up to the plate without considering the drastic consequences such as the use of his love ones as leverage to shut him up.(idiots)

Bettermalaysia,i urge you as another blogger had pointed out to empower people with the knowledge of their basic rights.Do not shut down this blog.Do not yield to negativity.You can make a difference.Take the initiative, in my opinion to make this an online human rights blog.Educate malaysians on how to protect themselves from being taken advantage of and help avoid that helplessness you encountered.

Consult lawyers,publish cases of basic human rights being violated in malaysia,work with people who seek justice for those who have total disregard for it and you my friend will make a BIG difference.

I admire jeff ooi.He doesn't whine,he doesn't pout,he doesn't yield.He questiones,he provokes and most importantly he solves problems.

All the best.

9:45 AM  
Blogger petite papillon said...

well said

9:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Blog Owner,

I was forwarded your posting by Sharizal.

Suaram, a local human rights group, is in the midst of publishing a guidebook on the Dangerous Drugs Act and a section on detention under this Act.

We are interested to speak to you in private to document your experience, and also to assist you in seeking recourse.

You can write to us at: suaram@suaram.net, or call 03-77843525, 77820357. (please ask for Mr. Arul who works on abuse of police powers).

Here is a link to a general guide on what to do if you are arrested.

http://www.suaram.net/citizenadvice.htm

Thank you.

Best wishes,
Elizabeth Wong
Member of Secretariat, Suaram

10:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Things have gotten from bad to worse in the past few years. The police think that they are perfectly protected with their badge while they extort, swindle and cause harm to use. Although there are some that are decent enough, I loathe those who seem to fit the picture described by you. To those who think this blog is wrong. It's time you shared it with others. Because I hope your the next victim and the others who read this blog will laugh alongside with me.

11:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is high time somebody is willing to speak up on police abuse and corruption. Stripping detainees and humiliating them is an all too common practice by the police. After reading all the comments submitted, shame on those who used the opportunity to put the blame on the blog-owner's nocturnal activities. The crux of the matter is that the police should uphold their professionalism entrusted to them by the public. They should not treat detainees - either innocent or guilty, like dogs.

Blog-owner, I could understand your anger of the sadistic treatment while you were being held. I commend you for bringing your story to the open because I know people who were subjected to ill-treatment by the police and would not do anything about it because they are less educated or lack the confidence, tools and connections. In my eyes, your actions have my utmost respect because with this initiative, you are not only doing this for yourself but also for the others that had or still are suffering under this ill-treatments.

5:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Re: post aT 5:35am above. Yes, I can testify that if you drive up to the Parliament by mistake, you will be hinted at to pay a bribe.

But I have no proof. (What can I do? Ask the policeman to write down his request/veiled threat?)

I just hope that if I post this in cyberspace my blog, no discouraging assholes ask me to shut the hell up, call me names like "sissy", "coward", "spoiled", "arrogant" and any other malicious, unproductive thing these unnecesarrily HARSH and RUDE trolls can think of.

5:39 PM  
Blogger Old Fart said...

I once needed to make a turn around parliament building....turned right into it thinking there was a U turn before the gates but there wasn't..Went up to the gates and asked the guy for directions to The Prime minister's house like as if I was someone important..and the fool at the gate gave me directions like as if I was somebody really important,....and I am only Indian!.....anyway....no fines.....no corruption!...just a lie!

7:35 PM  
Anonymous Apollo market said...

I suggest we have one full-time/part-time SUARAM member in every major police station in this country. Is this possible?

8:10 PM  
Blogger PJUtara Resident said...

Until today there is no action taken after setting up the Royal Police Commision.

I dont' see anything. I don't see any changes in the POlice Force. Is this the Malay way? Change it slowly. Come on, the world is moving forward and we are retreating.

The world is moving fast. BAdawi need to fire some people, need to do some real change. Need to put the spotlight on POlice. Press nees fredom to investigate all the wrong doings of POlice.

Eventhough we know Police can make some of us dissapear but they are investigative journalist who is willing to put their life in danger to expose those gangster police.

Korea, Taiwan, is so far ahead of us that we may forever cannot catch up with them. Now our country is facing the challenge of China, India, Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia. So are we going to lose this round again.

I remember in 1957, Malaysia was more wealthier than Korea, taiwan and Singapore. Now we are far behind.

Badawi, are malay going to lose out again?

Badawi, rakyat don't see any changes. They don't see it at all. I know the Budi Bahasa of Malay culture is very important. But we are living in a world of reality. We need to think fast and move fast.

8:10 PM  
Blogger desiderata said...

hi ABM:

I posted up something abot 15 minutes ago, following all the necessary steps, BUT I DON'T SEE IT APPEARING. Am I bb=ed?

So repeating:

Have you contacted LIM KIT SIANG, Opposition Leader, yet? If the answer is NO, you must do so Pronto, as it's the most logical step to move this national security issue.

I've already done my small part, posting up "Malaysians have Reason to be Very AfrAid" yesterday. I also left a PS note at LKS's blog just now enquiring your contacting him...any response.

You OWE your concerned readers here some accounting as we expect certain steps within our means to be taken -- I believe thee so far. Can you take a logical step in the progresion of actions? This is both a request and a challenge, because I take my TIME, and my FELLOW BLOGGERS on NATIONAL ISSUES, VERY SERIOUSLY!

ABETTERMALAYSIA:

I posted this message just now via Saturday's post Comments, failed at about 2.50PM, and a similar comment 15 minutes earlier.

This is now attempted via earlier post comment -- I hope I readch you, IF NOT, please fix your Comments channel.(Or I'm now feeling I'm Blackballed?)

12:02 AM  
Blogger desiderata said...

ABM:
a sigh of relief from Desi, finally succesful!

Go ahead, contact LKS if you haven't, so your sake as well as my sake, as all feeling Malaysians' sake.

Thanks in advance, also Regards, Be Courageous and steadfast, for
God will be right beside those who're doing RIGHT!

12:07 AM  
Anonymous Andrew said...

I see a lot of negative comments here that take one of these following threads:

a) You asked for it by being in a seedy club

My response: Since when is going to a club such a crime? Not all clubs are seedy.

b) You barely scratched the surface of injustice you privileged kid, don't go crying to mummy.

My response: Yes, he may have been sheltered but that doesn't change the fact that he was unlucky enough to be one of those who ended up with this experience.

c) Don't claim to be patriotic when you are running down the country.

My response: Yes, the blogger could have put things in a more professional and objective way, but how is reporting on what is shite in the country 'unpatriotic'? I give it to him for having the balls and initiative to try to do something about it - trying to raise awareness of the rampant corruption is one of the many ways of fighting it. And fighting corruption is patriotic.

Wish you all the best in your fight, if only there are more people like you who would not take shite sitting down.

12:33 AM  
Blogger Trashed said...

While a number of postings were in the negative, perhaps this suggestion can be viewed as a positive arising out of ABM's mishap.

This was inspired by Ivan's posting above and a reply by Suaram.

How about getting Suhakam or Suaram produce a video to show Malaysians our rights if we are detained by the police ? Instead of web links, emails and booklets, I think video is going to be the most popular media format that all Malaysians can review and in the different languages, too.

Maybe ... just maybe, the police might also learn something from it !

1:40 AM  
Anonymous bayi said...

Given your blog link to my son working in the US to read. But he said he had already read it earlier from someone else's reference. This news is really travelling. That's good.

5:42 AM  
Blogger fcukger said...

alright sucker..i've done you the favours. Kit Siang says he's still WAITING for you to contact him and yes, he has mentioned you in his media statement. And you should also be hearing from you know who...soon, once the tracing is done. But what are you waitng for anyway...go on ..make malaysia a better place like you said.....and make my day as well...lol. Go on, prove yourself, take responsibility for what you said,be a real man for it takes a real man to better this place, not some self acclaimed model citizen .

Mummy's boy said he wants to play cat and mouse game huh....that's the way to make malaysia a better place huh...it's goin to take a long long time huh...well there's not much time left, the cat is getting nearer, let's hope the mouse is for real, and not a chicken in disguise.

10:06 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BEST WAY IS TO PRIVATISE THE POLICE CORP, THE ARMY AND ALL THE DEFENCE MACHINERIES. GET THEM LISTED IN BURSAMALAYSIA, SO THEY ARE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE STAKEHOLDERS, MAKE SURE PUBLIC SPREAD, AND NO GOLDEN SHARE BY GOM. WHATDAYATHINKIN?

10:25 AM  
Blogger lainieyeoh said...

I believe the Sisters in Islam have something like that in their website, one section for muslims, the other for non-muslims.

12:59 AM  
Anonymous rather worried said...

anon at 8.56am : just wondering does speaking only fluent English and a foreign drivers' license help in any way? I am a msian living overseas but have always felt that when on holiday in Msia i should emphasis the foreigner status and not speak Bahasa? Perhaps then the appaling police will not take advantage of me? your thoughts pls...

4:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Rather worried":

Just to clarify, that person said he was speaking fluent BM (not English) to the cop.

You raised a good point about the unequal treatment meted out by cops to locals versus foreigners.

I lived overseas for many years and had been returning for holidays. After some initial encounters with traffic cops, I decided to produce my foreign license when I was stopped. The treatment was definitely better. They seem a little unsure (less confident) of themselves when dealing with foreigners.

6:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have been living overseas for 3 years and while i have never been back, i am always eager to hear news about how well Malaysia is progressing and catching up with the world. After reading this, i am outraged at the thought of stupid, corrupt high ranked officials who are where they are only by getting people to pull strings and cover up their mistakes.

Perhaps having retarded police in malaysia is something that we malaysians are getting used to but for those of you who said he should get over it..well i hope you realise you just helped the swine that think they can push people around to feel powerful and make a profit.

There are certainly too many factors that have led to the hiring of inbreeds to serve and protect our society for us to succesfully ammend. But what we most definitely should not do, is to sit back and accept it. Because we are only creating more problems for ourselves down the road which will eventually lead to mlaysia becoming a shithole. which,as some people dont realise(those who could not find it in themselves to show their support), is not very far from our current situation.

THings will just keep getting worse until evryone decides this is not right. humiliation and torture of human beings is never right in any context especially to make a few bucks. and we will continue to be bullied for as long as we allow ourselves to be bullied by keeping quiet and covering up our problems. kudos to you for putting it out in the open. so everyone can see what malaysia is really like.

9:48 PM  

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